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Posted by: Lollipop, Muddy Duct on 11:07am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote]He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."[/quote]
Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.
He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."
Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.
Posted by: BoltonDave, Tonge Moor on 11:14am Wed 23 Jan 08
How about making the dole (sorry, should that be job seekers allowance?) lower than than the minimum wage and encouraging some lazy bast@rds out of bed and into work.?
How about making the dole (sorry, should that be job seekers allowance?) lower than than the minimum wage and encouraging some lazy bast@rds out of bed and into work.?
Posted by: Lollipop, Muddy Duct on 11:38am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Lollipop[/bold] wrote:
[quote]He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."[/quote] Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.[/quote] I must correct myself, EU workers are entitled to the national minimum wage it's just not enforced a lot of the time. Due to some agencys.
Lollipop wrote:
He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."
Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.
I must correct myself, EU workers are entitled to the national minimum wage it's just not enforced a lot of the time. Due to some agencys.
Posted by: amosc99, Overseas on 11:47am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]Lollipop[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lollipop[/bold] wrote: [quote]He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."[/quote] Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.[/quote] I must correct myself, EU workers are entitled to the national minimum wage it's just not enforced a lot of the time. Due to some agencys.[/quote] every country in the EU has a minimum wage but the level of that wage is set by the countries own Parliament so it will either be higher or lower than the UK's!!!
This was another good peice of work by the EU to set up the minimum wage so that it tries to get everybody off the poverty line!!!
Lollipop wrote:
Lollipop wrote:
He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."
Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.
I must correct myself, EU workers are entitled to the national minimum wage it's just not enforced a lot of the time. Due to some agencys.
every country in the EU has a minimum wage but the level of that wage is set by the countries own Parliament so it will either be higher or lower than the UK's!!!
This was another good peice of work by the EU to set up the minimum wage so that it tries to get everybody off the poverty line!!!
Posted by: amosc99, Overseas on 11:48am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]BoltonDave[/bold] wrote:
There's also the fact that many of these EU workers are working illegally and are happy to accept less than minimum.[/quote] How can EU workers work illeaglly when there is free movement of people and work within the EU - what you say is a contradiction as an EU worker cannot work illegally within another EU country!!!!
BoltonDave wrote:
There's also the fact that many of these EU workers are working illegally and are happy to accept less than minimum.
How can EU workers work illeaglly when there is free movement of people and work within the EU - what you say is a contradiction as an EU worker cannot work illegally within another EU country!!!!
Posted by: BoltonDave, Tonge Moor on 11:59am Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]amosc99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BoltonDave[/bold] wrote: There's also the fact that many of these EU workers are working illegally and are happy to accept less than minimum.[/quote] How can EU workers work illeaglly when there is free movement of people and work within the EU - what you say is a contradiction as an EU worker cannot work illegally within another EU country!!!![/quote] Try telling that to the firm next door to where I work. They just got hammered for employing illegal workers, most of them from the EU.
amosc99 wrote:
BoltonDave wrote: There's also the fact that many of these EU workers are working illegally and are happy to accept less than minimum.
How can EU workers work illeaglly when there is free movement of people and work within the EU - what you say is a contradiction as an EU worker cannot work illegally within another EU country!!!!
Try telling that to the firm next door to where I work. They just got hammered for employing illegal workers, most of them from the EU.
Posted by: Lollipop, Muddy Duct on 12:34pm Wed 23 Jan 08
[quote][bold]amosc99[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Lollipop[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Lollipop[/bold] wrote: [quote]He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."[/quote] Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.[/quote] I must correct myself, EU workers are entitled to the national minimum wage it's just not enforced a lot of the time. Due to some agencys.[/quote] every country in the EU has a minimum wage but the level of that wage is set by the countries own Parliament so it will either be higher or lower than the UK's!!! This was another good peice of work by the EU to set up the minimum wage so that it tries to get everybody off the poverty line!!![/quote] I was refering to EU nationals working within the UK. They are subject to the same Minimum wage as everybody else which is good. The only problem is it appears these People are being exploited by Agencies and unless the workers speak up the Law can't be enforced. But thats a different story.
amosc99 wrote:
Lollipop wrote:
Lollipop wrote:
He said: "It is unfair that young workers are paid less than the full adult national minimum wage for, in many cases, doing the same work."
Fair enough, the same could be said for EU workers also. National Minimum should apply to EVERYBODY working in the UK regardless.
I must correct myself, EU workers are entitled to the national minimum wage it's just not enforced a lot of the time. Due to some agencys.
every country in the EU has a minimum wage but the level of that wage is set by the countries own Parliament so it will either be higher or lower than the UK's!!! This was another good peice of work by the EU to set up the minimum wage so that it tries to get everybody off the poverty line!!!
I was refering to EU nationals working within the UK. They are subject to the same Minimum wage as everybody else which is good. The only problem is it appears these People are being exploited by Agencies and unless the workers speak up the Law can't be enforced. But thats a different story.
Posted by: MickaWanderer, Bolton on 1:17pm Wed 23 Jan 08
NMW is a legally binding hourly rate of pay:
Aged 22+ £5.52 per hr
Aged 18-21 £4.60
Aged 16+17 £3.40
If anyone isnt getting what they are entitled ring the HMRC confidential helpline for advice 0845 6000 678.
Your employer cant use any excuse such as you are on piecework rates or you arent as good as a colleague. The rates apply to everyone from 16 to the day you stop working whatever age it is!
NMW is a legally binding hourly rate of pay:
Aged 22+ £5.52 per hr
Aged 18-21 £4.60
Aged 16+17 £3.40
If anyone isnt getting what they are entitled ring the HMRC confidential helpline for advice 0845 6000 678.
Your employer cant use any excuse such as you are on piecework rates or you arent as good as a colleague. The rates apply to everyone from 16 to the day you stop working whatever age it is!
This government introduced age discrimination in employment legislation, back in oct 2006.
Although the government have included clauses to make this particular form of age discrimination legal. It flies in the face of the ethos of what this legislation was brought in to do.
This government introduced age discrimination in employment legislation, back in oct 2006.
Although the government have included clauses to make this particular form of age discrimination legal. It flies in the face of the ethos of what this legislation was brought in to do.
Posted by: Itsybitsyspider, Cobweb In The Bedroom on 2:39pm Wed 23 Jan 08
I think £3.40 is disgusting for someone of 16 or 17 years old... it's nothing less than child labour rates. Everyone should get a min wage of £5.00 regardless of age.
I think £3.40 is disgusting for someone of 16 or 17 years old... it's nothing less than child labour rates. Everyone should get a min wage of £5.00 regardless of age.
[quote][bold]BoltonDave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]amosc99[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]BoltonDave[/bold] wrote: There's also the fact that many of these EU workers are working illegally and are happy to accept less than minimum.[/quote] How can EU workers work illeaglly when there is free movement of people and work within the EU - what you say is a contradiction as an EU worker cannot work illegally within another EU country!!!![/quote] Try telling that to the firm next door to where I work. They just got hammered for employing illegal workers, most of them from the EU.[/quote] The employers should be hammered - they're breaking minimum wage law, not forgetting, presumably, avoiding NI contributions and the PAYE and NI contributions of their illegal employees.
BoltonDave wrote:
amosc99 wrote:
BoltonDave wrote: There's also the fact that many of these EU workers are working illegally and are happy to accept less than minimum.
How can EU workers work illeaglly when there is free movement of people and work within the EU - what you say is a contradiction as an EU worker cannot work illegally within another EU country!!!!
Try telling that to the firm next door to where I work. They just got hammered for employing illegal workers, most of them from the EU.
The employers should be hammered - they're breaking minimum wage law, not forgetting, presumably, avoiding NI contributions and the PAYE and NI contributions of their illegal employees.
Posted by: R. Smith, plumstead on 9:51pm Sat 23 Feb 08
Many jobs paying only minimum wage are worth far more being payed a minimum wage £5.52 means I can eat or pay my bills without support I cannot survive 10hr days, 6 days a week requires food
Many jobs paying only minimum wage are worth far more being payed a minimum wage £5.52 means I can eat or pay my bills without support I cannot survive 10hr days, 6 days a week requires food
i beleive it is grossly unfair that there are three different minimum wages after the introduction of the age discrimination act in 2006. i beleive that this discrimination law unlike all other discrimination laws only applies to one group, old people. a race discrimination act does not apply only to a group of selected races so why is it so with age. i also beleive young people are being discriminated against by the working tax credit system inplemented by her majestys revenue and customs which refuses to grant tax credits to anyone under the age of 25 unless they have a child or meet other criteria, however if you are over 25 you do not need chidren or to meet any other criteria age is enough. it is statistically proven that young drivers cause more accidents on roads than elder drivers, this is reflected in the price of insurance. i do strongly beleive that if it was statistically proven that eastern european, jewish or diabled drivers were more likely to cause accidents on our roads then it would be illegal to reflect this in their insurance quotes. just as it has been proven statistically that black people in certain areas of london are more likely to be carrying guns and knifes, this does not give the poice the right to stop and search more blacks than whites.
i beleive it is grossly unfair that there are three different minimum wages after the introduction of the age discrimination act in 2006. i beleive that this discrimination law unlike all other discrimination laws only applies to one group, old people. a race discrimination act does not apply only to a group of selected races so why is it so with age. i also beleive young people are being discriminated against by the working tax credit system inplemented by her majestys revenue and customs which refuses to grant tax credits to anyone under the age of 25 unless they have a child or meet other criteria, however if you are over 25 you do not need chidren or to meet any other criteria age is enough. it is statistically proven that young drivers cause more accidents on roads than elder drivers, this is reflected in the price of insurance. i do strongly beleive that if it was statistically proven that eastern european, jewish or diabled drivers were more likely to cause accidents on our roads then it would be illegal to reflect this in their insurance quotes. just as it has been proven statistically that black people in certain areas of london are more likely to be carrying guns and knifes, this does not give the poice the right to stop and search more blacks than whites.
[italic][italic]italic[/italic] HOW ABOUT GETTING ALL IMMIGRANTS OUT OF THE COUNTTRY SO THERE IS MORE JOBS FOR US, I AM UNEMPLOYED AT THE MOMENT AND AM APPLYING FOR JOBS WHICH I WILL HAVE TO TRAVEL FOR HOURS TO GET TO BECAUSE I AM GETTIN TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF IMMIGRANTS GETTING THE JOBS, EVERY JOB I HAVE BEEN TO THEY HAVE LOADS OF THEM APPLYING FOR I AM NOT RACIST BUT THE COMES A TIME WHEN ENOUGH IS ENOUGH[/italic]
HOW ABOUT GETTING ALL IMMIGRANTS OUT OF THE COUNTTRY SO THERE IS MORE JOBS FOR US, I AM UNEMPLOYED AT THE MOMENT AND AM APPLYING FOR JOBS WHICH I WILL HAVE TO TRAVEL FOR HOURS TO GET TO BECAUSE I AM GETTIN TURNED DOWN BECAUSE OF IMMIGRANTS GETTING THE JOBS, EVERY JOB I HAVE BEEN TO THEY HAVE LOADS OF THEM APPLYING FOR I AM NOT RACIST BUT THE COMES A TIME WHEN ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
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