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Motorway middle lane hoggers blasted
Middle lane motorway hoggers are one of the public's biggest irritations and contribute to congestion on the region's roads says a new report from the North West Highways Agency.
To raise awareness of the problems caused by motorway drivers who hog the middle lane, the Highways Agency has launched a DVD, presented by John Stapleton, called 'Stay Safe, Keep Moving.'
It advises drivers to keep to the left hand lane if the road ahead is clear and to return to the lane once the motorist has overtaken.
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Mr Stapleton said: "I was out with the traffic officers and saw lines of cars in the middle lane, five, six, seven vehicles only using one lane of a major motorway.
"This type of driving holds other vehicles up, causing congestion, and also has safety risks.
"Middle lane driving encourages tailgating, dangerous in itself, and encourages people to make other unsafe manoeuvres such as undertaking."
The new DVD is backed by the AA and the RAC Foundation.
'Stay Safe, Keep Moving' forms a part of a new road safety DVD from the Highways Agency and can be viewed on the internet on the Public TV website HERE.
8:40am Thursday 2nd August 2007
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CommentPosted by: northern_andy on 9:58am Thu 2 Aug 07
Drivers who hog the middle lane of the motorway should be stopped by the Police, have their car confiscated aand crushed and be made to walk home.
Drivers who hog the middle lane of the motorway should be stopped by the Police, have their car confiscated aand crushed and be made to walk home.
Posted by: Karen on 10:02am Thu 2 Aug 07
The annoying thing is, that if someone is hogging the middle lane at 60mph, and someone goes past them in the inside lane at 65mph, it is the one who stayed in the middle lane who will get stopped by the Police, even though that person may never have left the inside lane for the whole journey.
The annoying thing is, that if someone is hogging the middle lane at 60mph, and someone goes past them in the inside lane at 65mph, it is the one who stayed in the middle lane who will get stopped by the Police, even though that person may never have left the inside lane for the whole journey.
Posted by: GH, Darwen on 10:04am Thu 2 Aug 07
I agree, also the mindless I am policing the road idiots who move into the outside lane to stop anyone overtaking them, usually with no warning and late!
I agree, also the mindless I am policing the road idiots who move into the outside lane to stop anyone overtaking them, usually with no warning and late!
Posted by: Paul, Nelson on 10:13am Thu 2 Aug 07
I agree in principle with the article about middle lane hoggers but nothing is mentioned about one of the reasons why this happens...before we go any further though I must mention that I am not a young driver, I have been driving now for almost 35 years with the experience that gives....Now to go back to the reason...Has anyone considered the drivers that hog the inside lane doing only 50 or 55 MPH even on bright sunny days...Ok i'll take the point about bad weather and the need to slow down....... but in good conditions these slow drivers can cause problems by forcing other drivers into the middle lane even if the middle lane drivers are driving within the speed limit of 70MPH... I know that if I try to drive in the inside lane I am forever moving out the the middle lane to pass these slow drivers...Another point also must be to consider the commercial traffic on our motorways coming up against these slow drivers..... I have seen many times articulated lorries in the middle lane passing slow drivers..sometimes it can be about a mile before the 'artic' lorry can get back into the inside lane..... we all know know that when a lorry is in the middle lane it funnels all the other traffic into the out-side lane causing a back-log...Ok I am just trying to point out that the reasons can be many and varied but could we not look at a system that is used over on the side of the Channel where there are also minimum speed limits as well as maximum..This, I know won't solve the problem of middle lane hoggers but might go some way to make the situation better.....and also safer for drivers in every lane...
I agree in principle with the article about middle lane hoggers but nothing is mentioned about one of the reasons why this happens...before we go any further though I must mention that I am not a young driver, I have been driving now for almost 35 years with the experience that gives....Now to go back to the reason...Has anyone considered the drivers that hog the inside lane doing only 50 or 55 MPH even on bright sunny days...Ok i'll take the point about bad weather and the need to slow down....... but in good conditions these slow drivers can cause problems by forcing other drivers into the middle lane even if the middle lane drivers are driving within the speed limit of 70MPH... I know that if I try to drive in the inside lane I am forever moving out the the middle lane to pass these slow drivers...Another point also must be to consider the commercial traffic on our motorways coming up against these slow drivers..... I have seen many times articulated lorries in the middle lane passing slow drivers..sometimes it can be about a mile before the 'artic' lorry can get back into the inside lane..... we all know know that when a lorry is in the middle lane it funnels all the other traffic into the out-side lane causing a back-log...Ok I am just trying to point out that the reasons can be many and varied but could we not look at a system that is used over on the side of the Channel where there are also minimum speed limits as well as maximum..This, I know won't solve the problem of middle lane hoggers but might go some way to make the situation better.....and also safer for drivers in every lane...
Posted by: Alan on 10:22am Thu 2 Aug 07
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
Posted by: Andy Jones, Bolton on 10:31am Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
The annoying thing is, that if someone is hogging the middle lane at 60mph, and someone goes past them in the inside lane at 65mph, it is the one who stayed in the middle lane who will get stopped by the Police, even though that person may never have left the inside lane for the whole journey.[/quote] Eh? Does that even make sense?
Karen wrote:
The annoying thing is, that if someone is hogging the middle lane at 60mph, and someone goes past them in the inside lane at 65mph, it is the one who stayed in the middle lane who will get stopped by the Police, even though that person may never have left the inside lane for the whole journey.
Eh? Does that even make sense?
Posted by: Be Serious, Kearsley on 10:41am Thu 2 Aug 07
Some drivers just can't be educated. It would be easier to just make undertaking legal like it is in America.
Some drivers think that the speed limit in built up areas is 27 or 28mph, that the speed limit on a de-resticted single carriageway is 50mph and that the limit on a de-restricted dual carriageway is 60mph.
You can't educate these people. Just drive round them.
Some drivers just can't be educated. It would be easier to just make undertaking legal like it is in America.
Some drivers think that the speed limit in built up areas is 27 or 28mph, that the speed limit on a de-resticted single carriageway is 50mph and that the limit on a de-restricted dual carriageway is 60mph.
You can't educate these people. Just drive round them.
Posted by: Karen on 10:45am Thu 2 Aug 07
Sorry Andy, you're quite right, I meant to say that it's the person in the INSIDE lane who gets stopped!
Sorry Andy, you're quite right, I meant to say that it's the person in the INSIDE lane who gets stopped!
Posted by: Dave, Darwen on 10:49am Thu 2 Aug 07
Middle lane hoogers are a nuisance and turn a three lane motorway into a two lane motorway making hold ups much worse.
But they can be a source of amusement. If you ever get the chance to follow a middle lane hogger onto the four lane motorway past Preston, their confusion is a joy to behold. There is no middle lane, so where can they go? The second lane, the third lane? Some of the poor dears are so overwhelmed they even change lane, desperately seeking that elusive middle lane.
Middle lane hoogers are a nuisance and turn a three lane motorway into a two lane motorway making hold ups much worse.
But they can be a source of amusement. If you ever get the chance to follow a middle lane hogger onto the four lane motorway past Preston, their confusion is a joy to behold. There is no middle lane, so where can they go? The second lane, the third lane? Some of the poor dears are so overwhelmed they even change lane, desperately seeking that elusive middle lane.
Posted by: Don, Bolton on 10:50am Thu 2 Aug 07
In Germany I noticed there was a 50mph cap on all lorries. This meant they all stayed on the inside lane. Unlike here where you always get one lorry on inside lane travelling at 60mph, being overtaken by another in the middle lane doing 60.001mph, and then another in the outside lane overtaking at 60.002 mph.
This really anoys me!
In Germany I noticed there was a 50mph cap on all lorries. This meant they all stayed on the inside lane. Unlike here where you always get one lorry on inside lane travelling at 60mph, being overtaken by another in the middle lane doing 60.001mph, and then another in the outside lane overtaking at 60.002 mph.
This really anoys me!
Posted by: Karen on 10:51am Thu 2 Aug 07
Lorries aren't allowed in the outside lane, Don.
Lorries aren't allowed in the outside lane, Don.
Posted by: Bob, Blackburn on 10:57am Thu 2 Aug 07
Is it true that there are special rails in the middle lane that can be used by specially adapted Rover cars, freeing the driver up to worry about more pressing matters, such as the price of Murray Mints?
Is it true that there are special rails in the middle lane that can be used by specially adapted Rover cars, freeing the driver up to worry about more pressing matters, such as the price of Murray Mints?
Posted by: p-jay on 11:00am Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote]Some drivers think that the speed limit in built up areas is 27 or 28mph, that the speed limit on a de-resticted single carriageway is 50mph and that the limit on a de-restricted dual carriageway is 60mph.[/quote]
Sorry, I don't see the problem. These people are driving within the speed limits. That is what you are supposed to do. Are you trying to say that if the speed limit is 60 then that is the speed you should drive at? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If some drivers feel safer driving at a lower speed then they are perfectly entititled to do - it's up to you to adjust your driving to them.
A problem occurs, however, if those same people hog the middle or outside lanes if the inside lanes are clear. The reasons people do this are varied. Road design, traffic volumes and the way other people drive all contribute.
Some drivers think that the speed limit in built up areas is 27 or 28mph, that the speed limit on a de-resticted single carriageway is 50mph and that the limit on a de-restricted dual carriageway is 60mph.
Sorry, I don't see the problem. These people are driving within the speed limits. That is what you are supposed to do. Are you trying to say that if the speed limit is 60 then that is the speed you should drive at? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If some drivers feel safer driving at a lower speed then they are perfectly entititled to do - it's up to you to adjust your driving to them.
A problem occurs, however, if those same people hog the middle or outside lanes if the inside lanes are clear. The reasons people do this are varied. Road design, traffic volumes and the way other people drive all contribute.
Posted by: Bob, Blackburn on 11:03am Thu 2 Aug 07
"The reasons people do this are varied. Road design, traffic volumes..."
and stupidity?
"The reasons people do this are varied. Road design, traffic volumes..."
and stupidity?
Posted by: p-jay on 11:03am Thu 2 Aug 07
It's funny isn't how you can never find anyone who admits to being a bad driver themselves? Myself, of course, well I never break any of the rules of good driving :-)
It's funny isn't how you can never find anyone who admits to being a bad driver themselves? Myself, of course, well I never break any of the rules of good driving :-)
Posted by: p-jay on 11:07am Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote]and stupidity?[/quote]
Too true. But again this one of those concepts where everybody else is stupid and I am perfectly normal.
and stupidity?
Too true. But again this one of those concepts where everybody else is stupid and I am perfectly normal.
Posted by: Bob, Blackburn on 11:10am Thu 2 Aug 07
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable concept.
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable concept.
Posted by: p-jay on 11:11am Thu 2 Aug 07
I think that we all need to take a good hard look at our own driving styles. Nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes and justify the occassions when we break the rules.
But will this happen? I fear not because, as I say, we all believe that we are perfect drivers.
I think that we all need to take a good hard look at our own driving styles. Nobody is perfect and we all make mistakes and justify the occassions when we break the rules.
But will this happen? I fear not because, as I say, we all believe that we are perfect drivers.
Posted by: p-jay on 11:12am Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote]Sounds like a perfectly reasonable concept.[/quote]
Unless of course we can't see the stupidity in our own actions.
Sounds like a perfectly reasonable concept.
Unless of course we can't see the stupidity in our own actions.
Posted by: Amosc99, Bolton on 11:14am Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]p-jay[/bold] wrote:
[quote]Some drivers think that the speed limit in built up areas is 27 or 28mph, that the speed limit on a de-resticted single carriageway is 50mph and that the limit on a de-restricted dual carriageway is 60mph.[/quote] Sorry, I don't see the problem. These people are driving within the speed limits. That is what you are supposed to do. Are you trying to say that if the speed limit is 60 then that is the speed you should drive at? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If some drivers feel safer driving at a lower speed then they are perfectly entititled to do - it's up to you to adjust your driving to them. A problem occurs, however, if those same people hog the middle or outside lanes if the inside lanes are clear. The reasons people do this are varied. Road design, traffic volumes and the way other people drive all contribute. [/quote] The point is on a clear unobstructive day the speed limite is 70mph but driving to slow (say between 40 and 50mph on a clear road with e same conditions) can be classed as dangerous driving.
The maximum speed limit (no matter which lane) for driving through roadworks is 50mph.
Whilst under bad weather conditions the maximum can alter depending upon which stretch of motorway one is one so drivers are meant to look at the over-head road signs - of which many drivers completely ignore.
My makes my amusement are the different reactions many people give when I point out that no matter what lane of the motorway you are in the MAXIMUM speed limit is 70mph (with a 10% lea-way due to different manufacturers engines.) Also many people do not relaise that the inside lane is the DRIVING lane whilst the outer lanes are OVERTAKING lanes.
I agree that lorries should have a slower maximum speed limit and be lmited to just driving in the inside lane. I also agee that like with the US one should be able to undertake on a motorway IF it is safe to do so and open up the middle or far lane to cars with more than one persons ONLY (only to be used a peak traffic times!).
p-jay wrote:
Some drivers think that the speed limit in built up areas is 27 or 28mph, that the speed limit on a de-resticted single carriageway is 50mph and that the limit on a de-restricted dual carriageway is 60mph.
Sorry, I don't see the problem. These people are driving within the speed limits. That is what you are supposed to do. Are you trying to say that if the speed limit is 60 then that is the speed you should drive at? Sorry, it doesn't work like that. If some drivers feel safer driving at a lower speed then they are perfectly entititled to do - it's up to you to adjust your driving to them. A problem occurs, however, if those same people hog the middle or outside lanes if the inside lanes are clear. The reasons people do this are varied. Road design, traffic volumes and the way other people drive all contribute.
The point is on a clear unobstructive day the speed limite is 70mph but driving to slow (say between 40 and 50mph on a clear road with e same conditions) can be classed as dangerous driving.
The maximum speed limit (no matter which lane) for driving through roadworks is 50mph.
Whilst under bad weather conditions the maximum can alter depending upon which stretch of motorway one is one so drivers are meant to look at the over-head road signs - of which many drivers completely ignore.
My makes my amusement are the different reactions many people give when I point out that no matter what lane of the motorway you are in the MAXIMUM speed limit is 70mph (with a 10% lea-way due to different manufacturers engines.) Also many people do not relaise that the inside lane is the DRIVING lane whilst the outer lanes are OVERTAKING lanes.
I agree that lorries should have a slower maximum speed limit and be lmited to just driving in the inside lane. I also agee that like with the US one should be able to undertake on a motorway IF it is safe to do so and open up the middle or far lane to cars with more than one persons ONLY (only to be used a peak traffic times!).
Posted by: ab on 11:15am Thu 2 Aug 07
sometimes i have to stop my mobile phone conversation to shout abuse at these idiots
sometimes i have to stop my mobile phone conversation to shout abuse at these idiots
Posted by: Mogster, Ewood on 11:15am Thu 2 Aug 07
Those big electronic signs could be put to better use: instead of saying 'Think! Don't Drink and Drive' (half way down a motorway is a bit late to be warning people of that) or 'Think! Take a Break', they SHOULD say something useful like 'Think! Don't Hog the Middle Lane' or 'Think! Leave a Three Second Gap' etc. This way these oblivious people will surely see that what they're doing is dangerous.
Those big electronic signs could be put to better use: instead of saying 'Think! Don't Drink and Drive' (half way down a motorway is a bit late to be warning people of that) or 'Think! Take a Break', they SHOULD say something useful like 'Think! Don't Hog the Middle Lane' or 'Think! Leave a Three Second Gap' etc. This way these oblivious people will surely see that what they're doing is dangerous.
Posted by: Amosc99, Bolton on 11:17am Thu 2 Aug 07
oh and before anyone says anything - my driving is not perfect and do admit to driving over the speed limit every now and again but I tend to stay away from motorways - hate driving along them due to stupidity of other drivers. I only use a motorway if there is no other option and then I am VERY careful at how I drive.
17 years driving - 3 crashes none of which were my own fault - but not a clean driving licence!!!
oh and before anyone says anything - my driving is not perfect and do admit to driving over the speed limit every now and again but I tend to stay away from motorways - hate driving along them due to stupidity of other drivers. I only use a motorway if there is no other option and then I am VERY careful at how I drive.
17 years driving - 3 crashes none of which were my own fault - but not a clean driving licence!!!
Posted by: David McGinlay, Ramsbottom on 11:23am Thu 2 Aug 07
Travelling to and from Leeds every working day, I find it's the outside-lane hoggers who cause the most irritation. As soon as they're on the motorway, they move straight onto the outside lane and sit there, whether there's anyone to over-take or not. Tail backs behind these thoughtless cretins can stretch for miles.
On [bold]ANY[/bold] road, there is only one travelling lane with the addition of overtaking lane(s). If you're not overtaking anyone, get back into the travelling lane.
Travelling to and from Leeds every working day, I find it's the outside-lane hoggers who cause the most irritation. As soon as they're on the motorway, they move straight onto the outside lane and sit there, whether there's anyone to over-take or not. Tail backs behind these thoughtless cretins can stretch for miles.
On
ANY road, there is only one travelling lane with the addition of overtaking lane(s). If you're not overtaking anyone, get back into the travelling lane.
Posted by: emma, bolton on 11:38am Thu 2 Aug 07
I use motorways alot, I have come across the situation loads of times when people are driving in the middle lane at 70 mph when there isnt anything in the inside lane , as karen said earlier you cant undertake and if you cant get in the fast lane to get past what do you do? Il hold my hands up and say I have got behind the middle lane driver and flashed them and pointed to the inside lane. only to have two fingers stuck up at me.
no wonder folk get road rage.
I use motorways alot, I have come across the situation loads of times when people are driving in the middle lane at 70 mph when there isnt anything in the inside lane , as karen said earlier you cant undertake and if you cant get in the fast lane to get past what do you do? Il hold my hands up and say I have got behind the middle lane driver and flashed them and pointed to the inside lane. only to have two fingers stuck up at me.
no wonder folk get road rage.
Posted by: mike, westhoughton on 11:39am Thu 2 Aug 07
Paul says
I have been driving now for almost 35 years with the experience that gives....
years of driving does not meen you drive ok but can show up all the faults you've picked up that you think are right .I believe we shoul all re site a test every ten years and see how many would still be on the road . And before you ask try a 2 hour IAM test
Paul says
I have been driving now for almost 35 years with the experience that gives....
years of driving does not meen you drive ok but can show up all the faults you've picked up that you think are right .I believe we shoul all re site a test every ten years and see how many would still be on the road . And before you ask try a 2 hour IAM test
Posted by: ot, bolton on 11:46am Thu 2 Aug 07
read the highway code inside lane for travelling the two outside lanes are for overtaking only!
read the highway code inside lane for travelling the two outside lanes are for overtaking only!
Posted by: Anthony, Blackburn on 12:43pm Thu 2 Aug 07
It annoys me too when you see slow drivers in the middle lane not overtaking anyone but you can go around them in the outside lane. The problem is just to many people and to many cars on the road. Its ok sitting in the inside lane but you are forever moving out to overtake and it can cause problems when you come up to junctions with joining traffic and you cant get back into the middle lane so its no wonder people sit in the middle lane, its the safest place to be each time you take your life in your own hands on Britains motorways.
It annoys me too when you see slow drivers in the middle lane not overtaking anyone but you can go around them in the outside lane. The problem is just to many people and to many cars on the road. Its ok sitting in the inside lane but you are forever moving out to overtake and it can cause problems when you come up to junctions with joining traffic and you cant get back into the middle lane so its no wonder people sit in the middle lane, its the safest place to be each time you take your life in your own hands on Britains motorways.
Posted by: Barry Bethell, M65 on 1:07pm Thu 2 Aug 07
I got road raged by a Rover 800 (classy motor) apparently stuck in the middle lane one night. I overtook him and when going back to the inside lane, flashed my indicators right and left and he clearly understood where I was coming from.
Next thing, I got full beam headlights and hand gestures and had to turn on my courtesy light so that he could see me giving him "the bird" back!
I really hate those tw@ts that tailgate so close it's like they're trying to read the serial number off your exhaust pipe. You've got nowhere to go with cars in front, but they seem to think otherwise.
Another pet hate - stupid boy racers in cr@ppy Corsas and Saxos with ridiculous body kits who seem to think they're the kings of the road even though they've only been driving on the motorway for a matter of seconds.
Makes me mad....
Still about 99% of motorway police appear to have been replaced by traffic officers (the PCSOs of the motorway). Not knocking what they do as they're always helping some poor motorist on the hard shoulder but where's the deterrent for cr@p drivers?
Bring back the Volvos and Range Rovers with a couple of cynical traffic cops in each to dish out points and advice and sort out the poor driving standards on the motorways and every other road.
I got road raged by a Rover 800 (classy motor) apparently stuck in the middle lane one night. I overtook him and when going back to the inside lane, flashed my indicators right and left and he clearly understood where I was coming from.
Next thing, I got full beam headlights and hand gestures and had to turn on my courtesy light so that he could see me giving him "the bird" back!
I really hate those tw@ts that tailgate so close it's like they're trying to read the serial number off your exhaust pipe. You've got nowhere to go with cars in front, but they seem to think otherwise.
Another pet hate - stupid boy racers in cr@ppy Corsas and Saxos with ridiculous body kits who seem to think they're the kings of the road even though they've only been driving on the motorway for a matter of seconds.
Makes me mad....
Still about 99% of motorway police appear to have been replaced by traffic officers (the PCSOs of the motorway). Not knocking what they do as they're always helping some poor motorist on the hard shoulder but where's the deterrent for cr@p drivers?
Bring back the Volvos and Range Rovers with a couple of cynical traffic cops in each to dish out points and advice and sort out the poor driving standards on the motorways and every other road.
Posted by: Bob, Blackburn on 1:20pm Thu 2 Aug 07
"I got road raged by a Rover 800 (classy motor) apparently stuck in the middle lane one night."
Must have been on the 'Rover-Rails' then...
"I got road raged by a Rover 800 (classy motor) apparently stuck in the middle lane one night."
Must have been on the 'Rover-Rails' then...
Posted by: LS on 1:23pm Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.[/quote] And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn't "undertaking", to "undertake" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!!
The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by "barging in". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who's fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol
Alan wrote:
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn't "undertaking", to "undertake" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!!
The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by "barging in". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who's fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol
Posted by: Jodie, Radcliffe on 1:30pm Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.[/quote] Alan, have a word with yourself!! Do you go round with a pad and paper making notes of the sex of people you are over-taking? If you do, perhaps you should be paying more attention to the road ahead rather than the people you are overtaking!!
Alan wrote:
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
Alan, have a word with yourself!! Do you go round with a pad and paper making notes of the sex of people you are over-taking? If you do, perhaps you should be paying more attention to the road ahead rather than the people you are overtaking!!
Posted by: Brak, Bolton on 1:48pm Thu 2 Aug 07
Whatever the issue with speed is - do what speed u like but move over if it's free instead of getting in the way!
Can I throw in people who don't indicate into the equation to.
How annoying!
Whatever the issue with speed is - do what speed u like but move over if it's free instead of getting in the way!
Can I throw in people who don't indicate into the equation to.
How annoying!
Posted by: Alan on 1:54pm Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Jodie[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.[/quote] Alan, have a word with yourself!! Do you go round with a pad and paper making notes of the sex of people you are over-taking? If you do, perhaps you should be paying more attention to the road ahead rather than the people you are overtaking!![/quote] I also take note of the Ethnicity as well just to be on the safe side especially when on my motorbike, can't be too carefull these days, 15% of fatal Accidents on Rural roads in Yorkshire are caused by East Europeans. Link....... http://www.dailymail
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Jodie wrote:
Alan wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
Alan, have a word with yourself!! Do you go round with a pad and paper making notes of the sex of people you are over-taking? If you do, perhaps you should be paying more attention to the road ahead rather than the people you are overtaking!!
I also take note of the Ethnicity as well just to be on the safe side especially when on my motorbike, can't be too carefull these days, 15% of fatal Accidents on Rural roads in Yorkshire are caused by East Europeans. Link....... http://www.dailymail
.co.uk/pages/live/ar
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Posted by: Linda, Wigan on 2:41pm Thu 2 Aug 07
What about the lorries that drive so close to each other in the nearside lane that you cannot pull back into it and have to travel in the middle lane. And they also pull out right in front of you, forcing you into the outside lane. They don't wait for a safe space to pull out in half the time. Some of them are bullies to other road users.
What about the lorries that drive so close to each other in the nearside lane that you cannot pull back into it and have to travel in the middle lane. And they also pull out right in front of you, forcing you into the outside lane. They don't wait for a safe space to pull out in half the time. Some of them are bullies to other road users.
Posted by: p-jay on 2:45pm Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote]15% of fatal Accidents on Rural roads in Yorkshire are caused by East Europeans.[/quote]
Which means, of course, that 85% are by not:-)
And quoting from the Daily Mail, that well known voice of reasoned, objective and fair-minded reporting, is getting a bit desperate isn't it?
15% of fatal Accidents on Rural roads in Yorkshire are caused by East Europeans.
Which means, of course, that 85% are by not:-)
And quoting from the Daily Mail, that well known voice of reasoned, objective and fair-minded reporting, is getting a bit desperate isn't it?
Posted by: p-jay on 2:46pm Thu 2 Aug 07
And why has nobody mentioned white vans yet?
And why has nobody mentioned white vans yet?
Posted by: Alan on 3:30pm Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]p-jay[/bold] wrote:
[quote]15% of fatal Accidents on Rural roads in Yorkshire are caused by East Europeans.[/quote] Which means, of course, that 85% are by not:-) And quoting from the Daily Mail, that well known voice of reasoned, objective and fair-minded reporting, is getting a bit desperate isn't it?[/quote] The report is by the Yorkshire Police do you dispute that report ?
Yorkshire is in England not East Europe 15% by East Europeans is 15% too many if English people are the victims.
p-jay wrote:
15% of fatal Accidents on Rural roads in Yorkshire are caused by East Europeans.
Which means, of course, that 85% are by not:-) And quoting from the Daily Mail, that well known voice of reasoned, objective and fair-minded reporting, is getting a bit desperate isn't it?
The report is by the Yorkshire Police do you dispute that report ?
Yorkshire is in England not East Europe 15% by East Europeans is 15% too many if English people are the victims.
Posted by: adam, bolton on 4:12pm Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]LS[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.[/quote] And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn't "undertaking", to "undertake" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!! The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by "barging in". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who's fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol[/quote] sounds like shes looking for a chance to commit suicide
LS wrote:
Alan wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn't "undertaking", to "undertake" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!! The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by "barging in". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who's fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol
sounds like shes looking for a chance to commit suicide
Posted by: the watcher, bolton on 4:32pm Thu 2 Aug 07
What about makeing the speed limit higher as in germany.And also a minimum speed limit that would then free up the motorways
What about makeing the speed limit higher as in germany.And also a minimum speed limit that would then free up the motorways
Posted by: John Finch, Bolton on 5:16pm Thu 2 Aug 07
People towing caravans, large trailers, lorries etc, should stay in the first lane, and only merge into the second lane to allow traffic to enter the motorway, oh, and flat cap-drivers should stay at home and watch the tele or listen to the Archers whilst sucking on werthers originals.
People towing caravans, large trailers, lorries etc, should stay in the first lane, and only merge into the second lane to allow traffic to enter the motorway, oh, and flat cap-drivers should stay at home and watch the tele or listen to the Archers whilst sucking on werthers originals.
Posted by: CJ, Blackpool on 6:31pm Thu 2 Aug 07
Idiots who tailgate on motorways and flash their lights should be the ones who are clamped down on. I am a young driver and whenever I come across one of these idiots they are always middle-aged men showing off in 'big' cars thinking they can bully their way around. They are a waste of space and it is them who need to be retested not young drivers.
Idiots who tailgate on motorways and flash their lights should be the ones who are clamped down on. I am a young driver and whenever I come across one of these idiots they are always middle-aged men showing off in 'big' cars thinking they can bully their way around. They are a waste of space and it is them who need to be retested not young drivers.
Posted by: Disgusted, Tunbridge Wells on 6:37pm Thu 2 Aug 07
[quote][bold]northern_andy[/bold] wrote:
Drivers who hog the middle lane of the motorway should be stopped by the Police, have their car confiscated aand crushed and be made to walk home.[/quote] I disagree ... they should be shot on sight and the police should dance on their graves.
northern_andy wrote:
Drivers who hog the middle lane of the motorway should be stopped by the Police, have their car confiscated aand crushed and be made to walk home.
I disagree ... they should be shot on sight and the police should dance on their graves.
Posted by: happywanderer, walkden on 8:10pm Thu 2 Aug 07
It is most annoying when middle lane drivers do not pullover to the left. It is usually women who are to busy gassing to the passenger beside them and totally oblivious to anything going on around them. When you flash your lights at them, which I do, they look at you and wonder exactly what they have done. I feel like stopping and giving them a good lecture. Book up women drivers and leave motorways to the men.
It is most annoying when middle lane drivers do not pullover to the left. It is usually women who are to busy gassing to the passenger beside them and totally oblivious to anything going on around them. When you flash your lights at them, which I do, they look at you and wonder exactly what they have done. I feel like stopping and giving them a good lecture. Book up women drivers and leave motorways to the men.
Posted by: john, bolton on 8:43pm Thu 2 Aug 07
We have the safest roads in Europe and the motorways are the safest of all. So we must be doing something right. The
worst drivers are the weavers who move between lanes the best are those that stick to a constant predictable speed.
We have the safest roads in Europe and the motorways are the safest of all. So we must be doing something right. The
worst drivers are the weavers who move between lanes the best are those that stick to a constant predictable speed.
Posted by: Dave, Burnley on 10:08pm Thu 2 Aug 07
"Book up women drivers and leave motorways to the men."
LOL Are you for real happywanderer?
If you had done much motorway driving you would have found that men drivers are more likely to do something stupid on motorways.
"Book up women drivers and leave motorways to the men."
LOL Are you for real happywanderer?
If you had done much motorway driving you would have found that men drivers are more likely to do something stupid on motorways.
Posted by: sloany, Radcliffe on 12:21am Fri 3 Aug 07
I have just travelled back from my north Devon hols, towing a trailer. Obviously trailers cannot use the third lane of the motorway and got stuck behind 'middle lane' hoggers four times on my way back. I dont want to start a man driver is better than a woman driver arguement......but, all four times it was two women in each of the four cars nattering away to each other and not paying attention to the road. I even flashed one to pull over as there was nothing in the first lane for as far as the eye can see, which she either chose to ignore or did not see. I eventually undertook her. I pitty lorry/ coach drivers who drive on the UK motorways who have to put up with this irresponsible driving.
[italic]Question[/italic] [bold]why arent the traffic police doing anything about middle lane hoggers[/bold] ?
I have just travelled back from my north Devon hols, towing a trailer. Obviously trailers cannot use the third lane of the motorway and got stuck behind 'middle lane' hoggers four times on my way back. I dont want to start a man driver is better than a woman driver arguement......but, all four times it was two women in each of the four cars nattering away to each other and not paying attention to the road. I even flashed one to pull over as there was nothing in the first lane for as far as the eye can see, which she either chose to ignore or did not see. I eventually undertook her. I pitty lorry/ coach drivers who drive on the UK motorways who have to put up with this irresponsible driving.
Question why arent the traffic police doing anything about middle lane hoggers ?
Posted by: BJ, cardiff on 10:33am Fri 3 Aug 07
[quote][bold]ab[/bold] wrote:
sometimes i have to stop my mobile phone conversation to shout abuse at these idiots[/quote] That's a disgrace. We should all have big megaphones attached to our cars so we can yell at bad drivers while still on the phone. Two birds with two stones is quite efficient enough for most people.
ab wrote:
sometimes i have to stop my mobile phone conversation to shout abuse at these idiots
That's a disgrace. We should all have big megaphones attached to our cars so we can yell at bad drivers while still on the phone. Two birds with two stones is quite efficient enough for most people.
Posted by: Alan on 10:41am Fri 3 Aug 07
[quote][bold]sloany[/bold] wrote:
I have just travelled back from my north Devon hols, towing a trailer. Obviously trailers cannot use the third lane of the motorway and got stuck behind 'middle lane' hoggers four times on my way back. I dont want to start a man driver is better than a woman driver arguement......but, all four times it was two women in each of the four cars nattering away to each other and not paying attention to the road. I even flashed one to pull over as there was nothing in the first lane for as far as the eye can see, which she either chose to ignore or did not see. I eventually undertook her. I pitty lorry/ coach drivers who drive on the UK motorways who have to put up with this irresponsible driving. [italic]Question[/italic] [bold]why arent the traffic police doing anything about middle lane hoggers[/bold] ? [/quote] Two Woman nattering in a car are an underestimated danger on our roads, ask anybody who rides a Motorbike. they can attempt to kill you and when you beep your horn they will look at you as if your in the wrong. completely oblivious some of them.
sloany wrote:
I have just travelled back from my north Devon hols, towing a trailer. Obviously trailers cannot use the third lane of the motorway and got stuck behind 'middle lane' hoggers four times on my way back. I dont want to start a man driver is better than a woman driver arguement......but, all four times it was two women in each of the four cars nattering away to each other and not paying attention to the road. I even flashed one to pull over as there was nothing in the first lane for as far as the eye can see, which she either chose to ignore or did not see. I eventually undertook her. I pitty lorry/ coach drivers who drive on the UK motorways who have to put up with this irresponsible driving. Question why arent the traffic police doing anything about middle lane hoggers ?
Two Woman nattering in a car are an underestimated danger on our roads, ask anybody who rides a Motorbike. they can attempt to kill you and when you beep your horn they will look at you as if your in the wrong. completely oblivious some of them.
Posted by: Ed, Blackburn on 3:10pm Fri 3 Aug 07
It's a scientific fact that women's brains simply cannot process all the information necessary to be a good driver. It's just too much, and their brains enter a state known by scientists as a "neuropathic-freeze.
" You can spot the symptoms - a woman will slowly glaze over and be completely unresponsive to outside stimuli. This happens quite frequently when they are faced with the intriquacies of DIY or science fiction, and when confronted with the off-side rule. When a woman driver sees an empty motorway ahead of them, it is only natural they will aim for the middle lane - the centre of the road, with good clearance either side is, they think, the safest place for the car.
It's a scientific fact that women's brains simply cannot process all the information necessary to be a good driver. It's just too much, and their brains enter a state known by scientists as a "neuropathic-freeze.
" You can spot the symptoms - a woman will slowly glaze over and be completely unresponsive to outside stimuli. This happens quite frequently when they are faced with the intriquacies of DIY or science fiction, and when confronted with the off-side rule. When a woman driver sees an empty motorway ahead of them, it is only natural they will aim for the middle lane - the centre of the road, with good clearance either side is, they think, the safest place for the car.
Posted by: sloany, bury on 4:00pm Fri 3 Aug 07
i forgot to add, when i undertook the woman after flashing her, she STILL didnt get the hint and sat there with a 40ton lorry attached to her bumper! There should be a name and shame website for these people.
i forgot to add, when i undertook the woman after flashing her, she STILL didnt get the hint and sat there with a 40ton lorry attached to her bumper! There should be a name and shame website for these people.
Posted by: Alan on 5:57pm Fri 3 Aug 07
[quote][bold]sloany[/bold] wrote:
i forgot to add, when i undertook the woman after flashing her, she STILL didnt get the hint and sat there with a 40ton lorry attached to her bumper! There should be a name and shame website for these people.[/quote] Makes you wonder if some of them have passed their test.
I presume they think by staying in the middle lane they have a bigger buffer zone ? not sure what they are thinking some look like they are gripping on to the steering wheel for their dear life. lol
sloany wrote:
i forgot to add, when i undertook the woman after flashing her, she STILL didnt get the hint and sat there with a 40ton lorry attached to her bumper! There should be a name and shame website for these people.
Makes you wonder if some of them have passed their test.
I presume they think by staying in the middle lane they have a bigger buffer zone ? not sure what they are thinking some look like they are gripping on to the steering wheel for their dear life. lol
Posted by: Major Mileage Man, Leigh on 7:28pm Fri 3 Aug 07
I clock up over 400 miles a week and the middle lane hog problem is a nationwide menace. I will openly admit i'm not perfect and I am guilty of "persuasion" to move people into the correct lane. Also I don't see any problem with undertaking - if that prat in the middle lane hasn't moved so far the chances of them moving as I pass them with the half mile of free lane in front of me going spare is so minute!
Before I even type this next bit I want to make it perfectly clear that it's not [bold]ALL[/bold]but as always the minority spoil it for the rest - a lot of our ethnic friends are totally oblivious they are causing mayhem behind them as they sit in the middle lane, and if you toot your horn and signal them to move over as you pass them they look at you like they have no idea what you mean.
Technically the Police could stop these people and have them for "Driving with undue care and attention" but you don't see real police on the motorway hardly any more, just those plastic traffic cops that go to breakdowns.
If only Jim'll Fix It was still around I would love to be a traffic cop on the motorways for a day, I would dish out more tickets than a traffic warden with tooth ache.
Oh and ban lorries from all lanes other than lane 1, they did a trial on the M42 near Birmingham and it was FANTASTIC!
I clock up over 400 miles a week and the middle lane hog problem is a nationwide menace. I will openly admit i'm not perfect and I am guilty of "persuasion" to move people into the correct lane. Also I don't see any problem with undertaking - if that prat in the middle lane hasn't moved so far the chances of them moving as I pass them with the half mile of free lane in front of me going spare is so minute!
Before I even type this next bit I want to make it perfectly clear that it's not
ALLbut as always the minority spoil it for the rest - a lot of our ethnic friends are totally oblivious they are causing mayhem behind them as they sit in the middle lane, and if you toot your horn and signal them to move over as you pass them they look at you like they have no idea what you mean.
Technically the Police could stop these people and have them for "Driving with undue care and attention" but you don't see real police on the motorway hardly any more, just those plastic traffic cops that go to breakdowns.
If only Jim'll Fix It was still around I would love to be a traffic cop on the motorways for a day, I would dish out more tickets than a traffic warden with tooth ache.
Oh and ban lorries from all lanes other than lane 1, they did a trial on the M42 near Birmingham and it was FANTASTIC!
Posted by: Roger, Tottington, Bury on 8:51pm Fri 3 Aug 07
Most people driving in the middle lane do so because they don't understand the motorway rules of driving and believe that the centre lane is the cruising lane and the safest place to be.
Quite frankly, the solution is simple. The police should stop the driver, take the details of the driver and their documents, and the driver should be required to to retake their driving test. That is if they have actually ever taken one in the first place and have insurance to be on the road anyway.
Get them off the road.
Most people driving in the middle lane do so because they don't understand the motorway rules of driving and believe that the centre lane is the cruising lane and the safest place to be.
Quite frankly, the solution is simple. The police should stop the driver, take the details of the driver and their documents, and the driver should be required to to retake their driving test. That is if they have actually ever taken one in the first place and have insurance to be on the road anyway.
Get them off the road.
Posted by: Alan on 2:29am Sat 4 Aug 07
The Police have been replaced by camera's to catch those who's vehicles are registered in their name.
The Police have been replaced by camera's to catch those who's vehicles are registered in their name.
Posted by: Mike, 336-063 on 10:46am Sat 4 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
The annoying thing is, that if someone is hogging the middle lane at 60mph, and someone goes past them in the inside lane at 65mph, it is the one who stayed in the middle lane who will get stopped by the Police, even though that person may never have left the inside lane for the whole journey.[/quote] I have yet to see anyone get stopped for hogging the middle lane and anyway this does NOT make any sense!
Karen wrote:
The annoying thing is, that if someone is hogging the middle lane at 60mph, and someone goes past them in the inside lane at 65mph, it is the one who stayed in the middle lane who will get stopped by the Police, even though that person may never have left the inside lane for the whole journey.
I have yet to see anyone get stopped for hogging the middle lane and anyway this does NOT make any sense!
Posted by: Mike, 628-459 on 10:49am Sat 4 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote:
Lorries aren\'t allowed in the outside lane, Don.[/quote] It's only articulated lorries that aren't allowed in the outside lane, as long as you are not towing a trailer of any sort then you can use it.
Karen wrote:
Lorries aren\'t allowed in the outside lane, Don.
It's only articulated lorries that aren't allowed in the outside lane, as long as you are not towing a trailer of any sort then you can use it.
Posted by: Mike on 10:58am Sat 4 Aug 07
[quote][bold]Linda[/bold] wrote:
What about the lorries that drive so close to each other in the nearside lane that you cannot pull back into it and have to travel in the middle lane. And they also pull out right in front of you, forcing you into the outside lane. They don't wait for a safe space to pull out in half the time. Some of them are bullies to other road users.[/quote] Linda I would have to agree with that comment. I have myself driven articulated lorries on the continent and they are generally well behaved as there are restrictions of where any lorry can overtake thus preventing both lanes of a 2 lane motorway becoming blocked. Wouldn't it be a good idea to restrict lorries overtaking each other other than at certain areas of the motorway and even use the information signs to stop lorries overtaking in specified areas should the traffic be congested?
Linda wrote:
What about the lorries that drive so close to each other in the nearside lane that you cannot pull back into it and have to travel in the middle lane. And they also pull out right in front of you, forcing you into the outside lane. They don't wait for a safe space to pull out in half the time. Some of them are bullies to other road users.
Linda I would have to agree with that comment. I have myself driven articulated lorries on the continent and they are generally well behaved as there are restrictions of where any lorry can overtake thus preventing both lanes of a 2 lane motorway becoming blocked. Wouldn't it be a good idea to restrict lorries overtaking each other other than at certain areas of the motorway and even use the information signs to stop lorries overtaking in specified areas should the traffic be congested?
Posted by: roger, skyworld on 3:12am Sun 5 Aug 07
Hats! ban hats,every pillock on the road wears a hat.
Hats! ban hats,every pillock on the road wears a hat.
Posted by: LEE, BURY on 12:46pm Thu 9 Aug 07
[quote][bold]LS[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.[/quote] And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn\'t \"undertaking\", to \"undertake\" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!! The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by \"barging in\". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who\'s fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol[/quote] I FULLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS I AM YET ANOTHER WOMAN WHO WILL NOT BE BULLIED INTO LETTING SOME IDIOT IN MY LANE WHO HAS LEFT IT TIL THE LAST MINUTE, I FIND IT REALLY ANNOYING THAT IF I HAVE MY FELLA IN THE CAR NO ONE TRY'S TO PERSUADE ME TO LET THEM IN BUT IF I AM ALONE THEN I AM OBVIOUSLY AN EASY TARGET..... THINK AGAIN SILLY MEN, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO MY CAR IT'S A PIECE OF METAL TO ME AND NOT A COMPENSATION REWARD TO MYSELF FOR MY LACK OF WHO KNOWS WHAT!!!!LOL,
LS wrote:
Alan wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn\'t \"undertaking\", to \"undertake\" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!! The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by \"barging in\". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who\'s fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol
I FULLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS I AM YET ANOTHER WOMAN WHO WILL NOT BE BULLIED INTO LETTING SOME IDIOT IN MY LANE WHO HAS LEFT IT TIL THE LAST MINUTE, I FIND IT REALLY ANNOYING THAT IF I HAVE MY FELLA IN THE CAR NO ONE TRY'S TO PERSUADE ME TO LET THEM IN BUT IF I AM ALONE THEN I AM OBVIOUSLY AN EASY TARGET..... THINK AGAIN SILLY MEN, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO MY CAR IT'S A PIECE OF METAL TO ME AND NOT A COMPENSATION REWARD TO MYSELF FOR MY LACK OF WHO KNOWS WHAT!!!!LOL,
Posted by: eric bradshaw, Australia on 7:31am Fri 10 Aug 07
I have been living in Australia for a year now and this does'nt happen here,for 2 reasons firstly most people stick to the speed limit if not a 600 dollar fine and points on license,and secondly on all roads you are allowed to overtake and undertake meaning if you are being held up in one lane you can pass on either side.Now this works here very well whether it can be transferred to the UK is a different matter but its a thought.
I have been living in Australia for a year now and this does'nt happen here,for 2 reasons firstly most people stick to the speed limit if not a 600 dollar fine and points on license,and secondly on all roads you are allowed to overtake and undertake meaning if you are being held up in one lane you can pass on either side.Now this works here very well whether it can be transferred to the UK is a different matter but its a thought.
Posted by: Paul, Devon on 6:06pm Fri 31 Aug 07
For all you folk who think there is a "second 11" Police on the motorway or other trunk roads, you are quite wrong. The guys that you see in black and yellow or sometimes Hi-Vis vehicles that are attending accidents or sorting barriers that have been flattened are in fact either Highways Agency or contractors working for them like the company called Accord who are down here in Devon. They are there to help keep the road clear. So all the dopes that slow down when they see them are also causing some of the traffic bunching
For all you folk who think there is a "second 11" Police on the motorway or other trunk roads, you are quite wrong. The guys that you see in black and yellow or sometimes Hi-Vis vehicles that are attending accidents or sorting barriers that have been flattened are in fact either Highways Agency or contractors working for them like the company called Accord who are down here in Devon. They are there to help keep the road clear. So all the dopes that slow down when they see them are also causing some of the traffic bunching
Posted by: scott, perth, WA on 4:41pm Mon 17 Sep 07
"I have been living in Australia for a year now and this does'nt happen here,for 2 reasons firstly most people stick to the speed limit if not a 600 dollar fine and points on license,and secondly on all roads you are allowed to overtake and undertake meaning if you are being held up in one lane you can pass on either side.Now this works here very well whether it can be transferred to the UK is a different matter but its a thought."
My God are you crazy. The roads here in Australia are hell compared to the UK. Everyone sits in whatever lane they want. Every day I get stuck behind three cars side by side 10km under the speed limit oblivious to the traffic piling up behind them. Evern if you manage to get past them, less than a minute up the road there will be another group. To every person on here who thinks undertaking should be allowed. Come drive in Aus for a day and see what happens when lane discipline is completely disregarded. Hell, Hell, Hell.
"I have been living in Australia for a year now and this does'nt happen here,for 2 reasons firstly most people stick to the speed limit if not a 600 dollar fine and points on license,and secondly on all roads you are allowed to overtake and undertake meaning if you are being held up in one lane you can pass on either side.Now this works here very well whether it can be transferred to the UK is a different matter but its a thought."
My God are you crazy. The roads here in Australia are hell compared to the UK. Everyone sits in whatever lane they want. Every day I get stuck behind three cars side by side 10km under the speed limit oblivious to the traffic piling up behind them. Evern if you manage to get past them, less than a minute up the road there will be another group. To every person on here who thinks undertaking should be allowed. Come drive in Aus for a day and see what happens when lane discipline is completely disregarded. Hell, Hell, Hell.
Posted by: shelley, oldham on 11:22pm Wed 3 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote:
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.[/quote] [quote][quote][bold]alan, are you gay?
quite alot are men too, would you believe it. but then again you probably dont see through that cloud of arrogance.[[/bold][/quote] [/quote] bold]bold[/bold]
Alan wrote:
Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
alan, are you gay?
quite alot are men too, would you believe it. but then again you probably dont see through that cloud of arrogance.
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Posted by: John, Leicester on 10:06am Tue 23 Oct 07
[quote][bold]Mike[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Karen[/bold] wrote: Lorries aren\'t allowed in the outside lane, Don.[/quote] It's only articulated lorries that aren't allowed in the outside lane, as long as you are not towing a trailer of any sort then you can use it.[/quote] That's kinda worrying. Mike - HGVs of any configuration are banned from the outside lane. That's any goods vehicle with a GVW higher than 7.5 tonnes, trailer or not. I know it's an old post but it needed a comment.
Mike wrote:
Karen wrote: Lorries aren\'t allowed in the outside lane, Don.
It's only articulated lorries that aren't allowed in the outside lane, as long as you are not towing a trailer of any sort then you can use it.
That's kinda worrying. Mike - HGVs of any configuration are banned from the outside lane. That's any goods vehicle with a GVW higher than 7.5 tonnes, trailer or not. I know it's an old post but it needed a comment.
Posted by: Darren, Chorley on 12:38pm Tue 4 Dec 07
I have more trouble with drivers of Mercedes cars that HOG the outside line travelling at high speed. They seem to believe they own the road. Wonder why drivers of German cars behave this way?
I have more trouble with drivers of Mercedes cars that HOG the outside line travelling at high speed. They seem to believe they own the road. Wonder why drivers of German cars behave this way?
Posted by: Dareen, Chorley on 12:52pm Tue 4 Dec 07
[quote][bold]LEE[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]LS[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Alan[/bold] wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.[/quote] And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn\\\'t \\\"undertaking\\\", to \\\"undertake\\\" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!! The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by \\\"barging in\\\". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who\\\'s fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol[/quote] I FULLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS I AM YET ANOTHER WOMAN WHO WILL NOT BE BULLIED INTO LETTING SOME IDIOT IN MY LANE WHO HAS LEFT IT TIL THE LAST MINUTE, I FIND IT REALLY ANNOYING THAT IF I HAVE MY FELLA IN THE CAR NO ONE TRY\'S TO PERSUADE ME TO LET THEM IN BUT IF I AM ALONE THEN I AM OBVIOUSLY AN EASY TARGET..... THINK AGAIN SILLY MEN, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO MY CAR IT\'S A PIECE OF METAL TO ME AND NOT A COMPENSATION REWARD TO MYSELF FOR MY LACK OF WHO KNOWS WHAT!!!!LOL, [/quote] Let's face facts, women Are on average ATROCIOUS DRIVERS.
Not all, but the VAST majority. We actually saw a young female travelling in the middle lane of the M6 at 30 mph putting on her lipstick whilst looking into a small hand mirror. The wife and myself were truly gobsmacked!
LEE wrote:
LS wrote: Alan wrote: Quite a lot of them are Woman, and after overtaking them in the outside lane and then getting straight in the inside lane to make a point they are often still oblivious to the fact they are doing wrong.
And even more of them are bloody men!!!! I drive regularly on the M61, M60, M62 to work, the majority of lane hoggers (both the middle AND outside lanes)are men. I travelled ALL the way from Junction 18 (Simister Island) to Junction 20 (Rochdale) last Saturday evening in the INSIDE lane, because the middle and outside lane were travelling slower than the inside. I think you will find this is perfectly acceptable as I wasn't \\\"undertaking\\\", to \\\"undertake\\\" means use of the inside lane prior to pulling out into the second or third lane, or weaving, a habit utilised by many company car owners/reps/men, in their determination to arrive at their destination 30 seconds sooner lol!!!! The thing that **** me off more than anything is drivers who continue as far as they can up the outside lane/lanes prior to a busy exit slip road (eg Junction 15 M60/M61) then intimidate other drivers by \\\"barging in\\\". Just a word of advice to those of you who do that, I WILL NOT GIVE WAY!!!!! I am QUITE happy to drive into your car, I have protected no claims for life, regardless of who's fault it is, so beware, I will NOT be intimidated, and I WILL damage your car, with the greatest of pleasure lol
I FULLY AGREE WITH YOUR COMMENTS I AM YET ANOTHER WOMAN WHO WILL NOT BE BULLIED INTO LETTING SOME IDIOT IN MY LANE WHO HAS LEFT IT TIL THE LAST MINUTE, I FIND IT REALLY ANNOYING THAT IF I HAVE MY FELLA IN THE CAR NO ONE TRY\'S TO PERSUADE ME TO LET THEM IN BUT IF I AM ALONE THEN I AM OBVIOUSLY AN EASY TARGET..... THINK AGAIN SILLY MEN, DO WHAT YOU WANT TO MY CAR IT\'S A PIECE OF METAL TO ME AND NOT A COMPENSATION REWARD TO MYSELF FOR MY LACK OF WHO KNOWS WHAT!!!!LOL,
Let's face facts, women Are on average ATROCIOUS DRIVERS.
Not all, but the VAST majority. We actually saw a young female travelling in the middle lane of the M6 at 30 mph putting on her lipstick whilst looking into a small hand mirror. The wife and myself were truly gobsmacked!
Posted by: Adam, South Wales on 10:37am Wed 7 May 08
I rather object to the note that travelling at 50mph is too slow. I used to as a younger driver drive at reckless speeds (close to and exceeding 100mph) - then I bought an expensive house and realise that the only way I was able to afford to run my car was to drive at more sensible speeds. I have cruise control and drive my car at 50mph on the way home and get close to 50mpg; saving me money and also the environment. The trouble is that lunatic drivers driving at 90, find the differential in speed dangerous and therefore regard 50 as too slow. If they stuck to the speed limit of 70, the differential is not so great and therefore safer. Just my point
I rather object to the note that travelling at 50mph is too slow. I used to as a younger driver drive at reckless speeds (close to and exceeding 100mph) - then I bought an expensive house and realise that the only way I was able to afford to run my car was to drive at more sensible speeds. I have cruise control and drive my car at 50mph on the way home and get close to 50mpg; saving me money and also the environment. The trouble is that lunatic drivers driving at 90, find the differential in speed dangerous and therefore regard 50 as too slow. If they stuck to the speed limit of 70, the differential is not so great and therefore safer. Just my point
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