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Extend train service to Ramsbottom says MP
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| Full steam ahead local resident Linda Riley signs the petition with Jim Dobbin (left), MP for Heywood and Middleton, and David Chaytor |
COMMUTERS are being urged to sign a petition calling for rail services to extend to Ramsbottom and beyond.
MP David Chaytor is calling for a mainstream service running from Rossendale to Manchester on the East Lancashire Railway.
"We need to relieve the pressure on the M66," said the Bury North backbencher. "Half the people in Bury work in the city, and there has been a huge increase in house building in Bury North and Rossendale, and many of these residents work in Manchester or further afield.
"The ELR has gone from strength to strength in the past 20 years, but one time they don't run is during peak periods."
One option would allow people in the north to travel to Bury and then transfer to the Metrolink, with a possibility that the trams could run on the ELR line itself. An alternative might be running a train from Rawtenstall through Ramsbottom, Summerseat and Bury, before going through Heywood on its way to Victoria.
Mr Chaytor even wondered if a small station could be built at Burrs, to help people in the Brandlesholme area.
"It will take a long time, it won't be cheap or quick," he said. "But we now have a feasibility study under way, with a team from Rossendale, Bury, Rochdale, the ELR and the Passenger Transport Authority."
11:10am Thursday 13th March 2008
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CommentPosted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 12:46am Fri 14 Mar 08
Even better would be to extend it as far as it used to be. I would love to be able to go to somewhere like Blackpool via Rossendale again.
Why not also bring all the jobs to Bury so half the people don't have to travel to manchester. ie lower business rates.
Even better would be to extend it as far as it used to be. I would love to be able to go to somewhere like Blackpool via Rossendale again.
Why not also bring all the jobs to Bury so half the people don't have to travel to manchester. ie lower business rates.
Posted by: Greater Manchester Junior, Whitefield on 1:24am Fri 14 Mar 08
What are you on about Les, half of Bury work in the city and the commute is very easy by tram or car. Bury is one of the towns in Greater Manchester that has an easy commute into the city centre. On your bike Les you old lancashire lad, Bury belongs to Manchester now the days of lancashire are truely behind us. Long live the county of Greater Manchester
What are you on about Les, half of Bury work in the city and the commute is very easy by tram or car. Bury is one of the towns in Greater Manchester that has an easy commute into the city centre. On your bike Les you old lancashire lad, Bury belongs to Manchester now the days of lancashire are truely behind us. Long live the county of Greater Manchester
Posted by: Tim Piggott, Bury on 2:18am Fri 14 Mar 08
Poor old Lesy baby, any dig he can have at Manchester he will. get over yourself Leslie as GMJ said Greater Manchester is here to stay so just accept the fact Bury is in Greater Manchester and stop living in the past. Why not celebrate how Manchesters booming success has helped Bury by bringing thousands of new jobs, developments, people and money as without Manchester suburbs like Bury would die.
Poor old Lesy baby, any dig he can have at Manchester he will. get over yourself Leslie as GMJ said Greater Manchester is here to stay so just accept the fact Bury is in Greater Manchester and stop living in the past. Why not celebrate how Manchesters booming success has helped Bury by bringing thousands of new jobs, developments, people and money as without Manchester suburbs like Bury would die.
Posted by: Carl Chrystan, Barker Street, Bury on 7:51am Fri 14 Mar 08
Yes thanks for this David Chaytor.
Everyone signing the petition is signing the death warrant for the Buckley Wells area.
In 2002 we fought against getting a Metrolink stop slap bang in the middle of our area. Mr Chaytor's efforts are now going to mean that this is inevitable. We have fought over this for years.
Wonder if everybody who signed the petition knew exactly what they were signing for. For a direct rail link, this would mean a Metrolink stop at Buckley Wells. It would mean that my street would open to the public. Ever lived with a Metrolink stop at the bottom of your street? What do you think happens at Metrolink stops? The area is open to crime, disruption and misery for residents.
Yeah, cheers, Dave!!!
Yes thanks for this David Chaytor.
Everyone signing the petition is signing the death warrant for the Buckley Wells area.
In 2002 we fought against getting a Metrolink stop slap bang in the middle of our area. Mr Chaytor's efforts are now going to mean that this is inevitable. We have fought over this for years.
Wonder if everybody who signed the petition knew exactly what they were signing for. For a direct rail link, this would mean a Metrolink stop at Buckley Wells. It would mean that my street would open to the public. Ever lived with a Metrolink stop at the bottom of your street? What do you think happens at Metrolink stops? The area is open to crime, disruption and misery for residents.
Yeah, cheers, Dave!!!
Posted by: Paul Davidson, Bury, Greater Manchester on 9:21am Fri 14 Mar 08
What a pointless exercise, it has taken a monumental effort to get the Metrolink big bang moving for the rest of Greater Manchester, this hare brained scheme will never get off the ground and is nothing more than David Chaytor blowing hot air to keep his profile in the paper and hoodwink the weak minded who think the silly scheme will see the light of day.
Also you are correct in your previuos post Tim that Les is anti Manchester some of his posts in the past have been like reading a victorian script. Les the fact that half of Bury commute into the city tells you where the people of Bury feel they belong, the older generation do make me laugh regarding there old lancashire ways. Give up man Bury is firmly placed in Greater Manchester and we are all better for it.
What a pointless exercise, it has taken a monumental effort to get the Metrolink big bang moving for the rest of Greater Manchester, this hare brained scheme will never get off the ground and is nothing more than David Chaytor blowing hot air to keep his profile in the paper and hoodwink the weak minded who think the silly scheme will see the light of day.
Also you are correct in your previuos post Tim that Les is anti Manchester some of his posts in the past have been like reading a victorian script. Les the fact that half of Bury commute into the city tells you where the people of Bury feel they belong, the older generation do make me laugh regarding there old lancashire ways. Give up man Bury is firmly placed in Greater Manchester and we are all better for it.
Posted by: Carl Chrystan, Barker Street, Bury on 10:55am Fri 14 Mar 08
You're right. It is a pointless exercise.
But it's a very real possibility and will PROBABLY happen.
It's not only David Chaytor's idea. It's an output target of Bury Council to do this. East Lancs have a 10-year "masterplan" of which this is part. It's not just something he thought up. True, it keeps his face in the papers, but it goes beyond him.
And it involves destroying the value of hundreds of houses who have to make way for it, as well as make an increase in crime and disruption.
But most people are like "Well, it's not on my doorstep, so stuff 'em!"
You're right. It is a pointless exercise.
But it's a very real possibility and will PROBABLY happen.
It's not only David Chaytor's idea. It's an output target of Bury Council to do this. East Lancs have a 10-year "masterplan" of which this is part. It's not just something he thought up. True, it keeps his face in the papers, but it goes beyond him.
And it involves destroying the value of hundreds of houses who have to make way for it, as well as make an increase in crime and disruption.
But most people are like "Well, it's not on my doorstep, so stuff 'em!"
Posted by: Nick, Bury on 4:49pm Fri 14 Mar 08
The "interchange station" idea at Buckley Wells won't work so won't happen. People won't change transport mode. The favored option is to run modern trains from Rawtenstall through Rammy Bury and Heywood to a new station at Castleton then on to Manchester.
The "interchange station" idea at Buckley Wells won't work so won't happen. People won't change transport mode. The favored option is to run modern trains from Rawtenstall through Rammy Bury and Heywood to a new station at Castleton then on to Manchester.
Posted by: Carl Chrystan, Barker Street, Bury on 6:31pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Have a look on Bury Council's website. Search "Buckley Wells" and you will see the council's targets for making it happen as part of its outline proposals.
You simply get off the East Lancas train at Buckley Wells, walk a few feet, and then you're on a met stop. That's how it can be.
The two stops will be in very close proximity.
You're talking to someone who has spent six years fighting this, Nick.
GMPTE have it on their plans for development to have a met stop at Buckley Wells. Chaytor is petitioning for a direct Ramsbottom-Mancheste
r link which won't mean people walking a distance to get to the next transport. East Lancs have plans in place. All deny it.
They're all moving as separate entities in order to fulfil one picture. That's "piecemeal politics". That's how things get done. Shock 'n' awe and all that!
Have a look on Bury Council's website. Search "Buckley Wells" and you will see the council's targets for making it happen as part of its outline proposals.
You simply get off the East Lancas train at Buckley Wells, walk a few feet, and then you're on a met stop. That's how it can be.
The two stops will be in very close proximity.
You're talking to someone who has spent six years fighting this, Nick.
GMPTE have it on their plans for development to have a met stop at Buckley Wells. Chaytor is petitioning for a direct Ramsbottom-Mancheste
r link which won't mean people walking a distance to get to the next transport. East Lancs have plans in place. All deny it.
They're all moving as separate entities in order to fulfil one picture. That's "piecemeal politics". That's how things get done. Shock 'n' awe and all that!
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 8:16pm Fri 14 Mar 08
I have no connections with manchester & don't understand why people want to travel all that way for work. They add another day & a half to a working week doing so. I would like to walk out of the door & down the street to work. It's also much greener. Trouble is there are very few real jobs in Bury, especially the North part. I don't want to be a brain dead pen pusher or key presser. I want to have to think & do. We need to stop buying from abroad & start buying local. We may then get back to the good old days of the 50's, 60's & 70's.
As for not being in Lancashire look at the top of the page - Part of the This Is Lancashire Network.
I don't have any connections with manchester but lots with Blackburn, Preston, Blackpool, Burnley etc etc.
Trouble is, there are too many who have come in as manchester overspill.
I have no connections with manchester & don't understand why people want to travel all that way for work. They add another day & a half to a working week doing so. I would like to walk out of the door & down the street to work. It's also much greener. Trouble is there are very few real jobs in Bury, especially the North part. I don't want to be a brain dead pen pusher or key presser. I want to have to think & do. We need to stop buying from abroad & start buying local. We may then get back to the good old days of the 50's, 60's & 70's.
As for not being in Lancashire look at the top of the page - Part of the This Is Lancashire Network.
I don't have any connections with manchester but lots with Blackburn, Preston, Blackpool, Burnley etc etc.
Trouble is, there are too many who have come in as manchester overspill.
Posted by: Rammylad, Rammy on 10:49pm Fri 14 Mar 08
Great news but just a few conditions for me to get me out of my car: -
1) We have comfortable modern trains not crap metrolink bone shakers. The comfort has to match my car, a 45 minute standing journey is of no use to me.
2) It is a direct service.
3) It is policed so the gangs of kids do not take over the trains or the stations.
4) It is no more than £5 a day and is operated by an oyster card system so you do not end up paying in advance for a month only to find you don't use the service for a few days due to working elsewhere on site and therefore finding you have paid more for your journeys than paying daily.
Great news but just a few conditions for me to get me out of my car: -
1) We have comfortable modern trains not crap metrolink bone shakers. The comfort has to match my car, a 45 minute standing journey is of no use to me.
2) It is a direct service.
3) It is policed so the gangs of kids do not take over the trains or the stations.
4) It is no more than £5 a day and is operated by an oyster card system so you do not end up paying in advance for a month only to find you don't use the service for a few days due to working elsewhere on site and therefore finding you have paid more for your journeys than paying daily.
Posted by: Carl Chrystan on 12:32am Sat 15 Mar 08
I emailed David Chaytor today about the possibility of having a metrolink stop in buckley wells as the biggest option. He did not reply. Our community will be destroyed. It is seen as the biggest option. The residents of BUckley Wells will suffer because of this. It will happen. Ramsbottom will have their way as they always do. Us underlings will have no say. If you live near train tracks just be mindful that your house value may decrease due to what the COuncil decides.
By the way, did you know that Council planners have allegedly been given wrong information in order to get their votes for planning applications to go through?
I emailed David Chaytor today about the possibility of having a metrolink stop in buckley wells as the biggest option. He did not reply. Our community will be destroyed. It is seen as the biggest option. The residents of BUckley Wells will suffer because of this. It will happen. Ramsbottom will have their way as they always do. Us underlings will have no say. If you live near train tracks just be mindful that your house value may decrease due to what the COuncil decides.
By the way, did you know that Council planners have allegedly been given wrong information in order to get their votes for planning applications to go through?
Posted by: Vicky Enton, Bury on 12:21am Sun 16 Mar 08
Les I don't think any of us could care less what connection you have or with what towns the fact remains Bury is connected to Manchester extremely closely and has little in common with way off Lancashire towns that you mention, so what if this website is part of the lancs network it's only the name of a chain of newspapers and doesn't have any relation to Bury's geography which is by the way definately in Greater Manchester.
Les, Bury has been a Manchester overspill for decades and is where the town is intertwined. Just get used to it you old duffer,
Les I don't think any of us could care less what connection you have or with what towns the fact remains Bury is connected to Manchester extremely closely and has little in common with way off Lancashire towns that you mention, so what if this website is part of the lancs network it's only the name of a chain of newspapers and doesn't have any relation to Bury's geography which is by the way definately in Greater Manchester.
Les, Bury has been a Manchester overspill for decades and is where the town is intertwined. Just get used to it you old duffer,
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 4:08pm Sun 16 Mar 08
Bury has only had the problems with the riff raff from manchester since the 60's ie not very long. It would be better if just the areas with a manchester postcode were in lesser manchester & us on the border could go back into Lovely Lancashire with it's rolling fields (Except for the ones that have thousands of houses built on because of the overspill) We were Lancashire for hundreds of years. If the East Riding of Yorkshire can change back, why can't we. It would be an improvement.
We also wouldn't have to subsidise the concrete jungle.
As for the railway, why don't we use East LANCASHIRE Railway to every day. No need to add anything.
Bury has only had the problems with the riff raff from manchester since the 60's ie not very long. It would be better if just the areas with a manchester postcode were in lesser manchester & us on the border could go back into Lovely Lancashire with it's rolling fields (Except for the ones that have thousands of houses built on because of the overspill) We were Lancashire for hundreds of years. If the East Riding of Yorkshire can change back, why can't we. It would be an improvement.
We also wouldn't have to subsidise the concrete jungle.
As for the railway, why don't we use East LANCASHIRE Railway to every day. No need to add anything.
Posted by: Nelly Wilson, Bury, Greater Manchester, BL8 on 2:36pm Mon 17 Mar 08
How funny that Les can remember as far back as the 60's when Bury was lancashire as was Manchester but forgets in Roman times Bury was part of the Manchester fort then after that part of Salford. This way before Lancashire was invented.
Bury never sat well in lancashire, and always looked to Manchester since the industrial revolution.
I feel far more comfortable that Bury is part of Greater Manchester everything we have everything in common with Manchester and other metro boroughs in Greater Manchester and very little with Lancashire and it's towns. If a silver surfer in her 70's can accept the changes that have been the making of Bury then I would suggest you move with the times as well Les.
How funny that Les can remember as far back as the 60's when Bury was lancashire as was Manchester but forgets in Roman times Bury was part of the Manchester fort then after that part of Salford. This way before Lancashire was invented.
Bury never sat well in lancashire, and always looked to Manchester since the industrial revolution.
I feel far more comfortable that Bury is part of Greater Manchester everything we have everything in common with Manchester and other metro boroughs in Greater Manchester and very little with Lancashire and it's towns. If a silver surfer in her 70's can accept the changes that have been the making of Bury then I would suggest you move with the times as well Les.
Posted by: Dave Winterton, Radcliffe, Manchester on 3:02pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Les I have to pick you up on several school boy errors in your postings as well a various ignorant and inaccurate comments regarding our city and the county of Greater Manchester.
Manchester is the biggest economic generator in the north of England, I would suggest you take more notice of what is happening in our city. Manchester has a GDP of a small European country and certainly not subsidised by Bury or any other borough in Greater Manchester in fact it is the opposite with the city providing half of Bury with employment.
I have to agree with Nelly that Bury and all the towns in Greater Manchester have prospered as a direct result of their close relationship with the city. I also agree Bury has everything in common with the city and other GM boroughs and little with places in lancashire.
I don't think we even refer to Manchester by it's name now the young of Bury have grown of age preferring to refer to Manchester as "TOWN" or "THE CITY". Thats how close a bond the young of Bury have with our city.
I would never use the east lancashire railway as I don't consider it has much in common with the fast pace of life we lead and it just wouldn't cut it as a commuter tool. The Metro is all we need and it's expansion throughout Greater Manchester is now just a year away.
Last but not least how you can call Manchester a concrete jungle is just total ignorance, Les get out to our city a bit more and see places like Castlefield, by god man you can't get much greener than Heaton Park.
Les I have to pick you up on several school boy errors in your postings as well a various ignorant and inaccurate comments regarding our city and the county of Greater Manchester.
Manchester is the biggest economic generator in the north of England, I would suggest you take more notice of what is happening in our city. Manchester has a GDP of a small European country and certainly not subsidised by Bury or any other borough in Greater Manchester in fact it is the opposite with the city providing half of Bury with employment.
I have to agree with Nelly that Bury and all the towns in Greater Manchester have prospered as a direct result of their close relationship with the city. I also agree Bury has everything in common with the city and other GM boroughs and little with places in lancashire.
I don't think we even refer to Manchester by it's name now the young of Bury have grown of age preferring to refer to Manchester as "TOWN" or "THE CITY". Thats how close a bond the young of Bury have with our city.
I would never use the east lancashire railway as I don't consider it has much in common with the fast pace of life we lead and it just wouldn't cut it as a commuter tool. The Metro is all we need and it's expansion throughout Greater Manchester is now just a year away.
Last but not least how you can call Manchester a concrete jungle is just total ignorance, Les get out to our city a bit more and see places like Castlefield, by god man you can't get much greener than Heaton Park.
Posted by: Betty Werneth, Brandlesholme, Bury. on 4:23pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Having an extended service for ELR is totally unjustified and I think nothing more than Mr Chaytor looking to score a cheap political point. There is no need as we are well served by First Manchester buses by way of the 90 and 472/472 services into Bury then the Metrolink into the city centre and beyond to Salford and Trafford. I think the comments towards Les are a little harsh but he does set himself up with his old fashioned views of Bury which to be honest are pretty hilarious and out of touch.
Having an extended service for ELR is totally unjustified and I think nothing more than Mr Chaytor looking to score a cheap political point. There is no need as we are well served by First Manchester buses by way of the 90 and 472/472 services into Bury then the Metrolink into the city centre and beyond to Salford and Trafford. I think the comments towards Les are a little harsh but he does set himself up with his old fashioned views of Bury which to be honest are pretty hilarious and out of touch.
Posted by: Minton Patel, Elton, Bury, Greater Manchester. on 11:11pm Mon 17 Mar 08
Les you are small minded biggot. Here is a quote from your last post "[bold]Bury has only had the problems with the riff raff from manchester since the 60's[/bold] ". Raplace the word Manchester with blacks or Pakistani's and the true bigottory of your comment is displayed. The point is the whole of Greater Manchester's population is fluid with many people moving from borough to borough. The focus for all the towns being Manchester. Les you are stuck in the past and an embarrassment to us in Bury with your biggoted and anti Manchester statements. Thank goodness most of us in Bury oppose your views and embrace the good Manchester has brought our town.
Les you are small minded biggot. Here is a quote from your last post "
Bury has only had the problems with the riff raff from manchester since the 60's ". Raplace the word Manchester with blacks or Pakistani's and the true bigottory of your comment is displayed. The point is the whole of Greater Manchester's population is fluid with many people moving from borough to borough. The focus for all the towns being Manchester. Les you are stuck in the past and an embarrassment to us in Bury with your biggoted and anti Manchester statements. Thank goodness most of us in Bury oppose your views and embrace the good Manchester has brought our town.
Posted by: Vicky Enton, Bury on 12:37am Tue 18 Mar 08
Les exposed as a biggot there is a first! Les if you love lancashire then go and move there and leave the rest of is Bury and the rest of Greater Manchester to enjoy the county, city and it's cosmopolitan flavour.
That you think Bury subsidises Manchester shows how out of touch you are Les, it is the opposite. I'm one of the tens of thousands of Bury folk employed in the city of Manchester and am thankful for the great work and leisure life Manchester affords me and my family.
Les exposed as a biggot there is a first! Les if you love lancashire then go and move there and leave the rest of is Bury and the rest of Greater Manchester to enjoy the county, city and it's cosmopolitan flavour.
That you think Bury subsidises Manchester shows how out of touch you are Les, it is the opposite. I'm one of the tens of thousands of Bury folk employed in the city of Manchester and am thankful for the great work and leisure life Manchester affords me and my family.
Posted by: Carl Chrystan, Barker Street, Bury on 9:52am Tue 18 Mar 08
Poor Les. But if you make comments like "riff-raff", what do you expect?
I know I've been banging on and on about Buckley Wells because we're going to have scallies hanging around our streets. I've got a new thing to think of now after all these posts. Those Lancashire people coming down and imposing their "Lancashire views" on us cosmopolitan people. That'd make me afraid. I HAVE got a foreign name and my parents were both immigrants.
Poor Les. But if you make comments like "riff-raff", what do you expect?
I know I've been banging on and on about Buckley Wells because we're going to have scallies hanging around our streets. I've got a new thing to think of now after all these posts. Those Lancashire people coming down and imposing their "Lancashire views" on us cosmopolitan people. That'd make me afraid. I HAVE got a foreign name and my parents were both immigrants.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 1:40pm Tue 18 Mar 08
You will find that people in the south of the borough have connections with manchester. Those of us in the north who grew up in Rossendale have connections with Lancashire. I am the latter & prefer the country. I don't like the city life that is being pushed on us with all the building of homes & shops.
The other point about travel to work. If the jobs came to Bury instead of the city then we would have less travel. If everyone travelled half as far than there would be approximately half the traffic on the roads. Can this be a bad thing?
You will find that people in the south of the borough have connections with manchester. Those of us in the north who grew up in Rossendale have connections with Lancashire. I am the latter & prefer the country. I don't like the city life that is being pushed on us with all the building of homes & shops.
The other point about travel to work. If the jobs came to Bury instead of the city then we would have less travel. If everyone travelled half as far than there would be approximately half the traffic on the roads. Can this be a bad thing?
Posted by: Barry Tomkins, Tottington, Bury. on 2:33pm Tue 18 Mar 08
Les, you do set yourself up, I have never heard such rubbish people from the north of Bury and south looking to different areas. The majority look to Manchester whether we are from Brandlesholme or Whitefield. Look at how many of us all over Bury commute to the city centre whether by tram, First Manchester buses or car. The Metrolink is responsible for taking thousands of cars off the Bury route into the city centre so Im afraid the your point is somewhat mute Les.
Les if you grew up in Rossendale then you are not even from Bury or even Greater Manchester so it really explains why you are so set afar from us here in Bury. Les it is no wonder you have these small town views coming from over the border in Lancashire/Rossendal
e.
Les, you do set yourself up, I have never heard such rubbish people from the north of Bury and south looking to different areas. The majority look to Manchester whether we are from Brandlesholme or Whitefield. Look at how many of us all over Bury commute to the city centre whether by tram, First Manchester buses or car. The Metrolink is responsible for taking thousands of cars off the Bury route into the city centre so Im afraid the your point is somewhat mute Les.
Les if you grew up in Rossendale then you are not even from Bury or even Greater Manchester so it really explains why you are so set afar from us here in Bury. Les it is no wonder you have these small town views coming from over the border in Lancashire/Rossendal
e.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 11:01pm Tue 18 Mar 08
So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?
So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?
Posted by: Rashid Khan, Radcliffe, Manchester on 12:36am Wed 19 Mar 08
Les, you are a wind up merchant who we just can't take seriously, you can't even counter any of the mountain of the points put to you by various posters and simply ignore them. Best not to rise to Les's bait. He is still not come to terms that Bury is in Greater Manchester.
Ramsbottom, Rossendale neither are Bury I feel and are both miserable little backwaters full of inbred village types. Give me Bury any day.
Les, you are a wind up merchant who we just can't take seriously, you can't even counter any of the mountain of the points put to you by various posters and simply ignore them. Best not to rise to Les's bait. He is still not come to terms that Bury is in Greater Manchester.
Ramsbottom, Rossendale neither are Bury I feel and are both miserable little backwaters full of inbred village types. Give me Bury any day.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 9:27am Wed 19 Mar 08
I take that you don't mind spending lots of your time travelling into the city or don't want to reduce the amount of traffic, whether private or public.
As I said previously, if the jobs moved to Bury (In any of the six towns that are supposed make it up, including Ramsbottom) there would be a reduction in traffic & wasted travel time.
To Barry, it may have taken cars off the roads but has increased public transport. What I am talking about is reducing both.
People have had to travel because nothing replaced the mills that shut down in the 60's & 70's.
As for riff raff, any trouble I have had (such as window put through and car damaged) it has usually been caused by the ones that have moved here from manchester or salford. You also hear of robberies or cars stolen by people with a manchester accent. I can't remember one that said a Lancashire accent. Don't get me wrong there are some nice people in the cities too but the bad ones seem to be in large numbers. Before we were dumped in GM we didn't have the trouble with them as far as I remember.
Also I never said anything that is racist. Minton put those words in to make look like it was.
As for Heaton park being green, it's just a little patch compared to the rolling hills of the Pennines.
I take that you don't mind spending lots of your time travelling into the city or don't want to reduce the amount of traffic, whether private or public.
As I said previously, if the jobs moved to Bury (In any of the six towns that are supposed make it up, including Ramsbottom) there would be a reduction in traffic & wasted travel time.
To Barry, it may have taken cars off the roads but has increased public transport. What I am talking about is reducing both.
People have had to travel because nothing replaced the mills that shut down in the 60's & 70's.
As for riff raff, any trouble I have had (such as window put through and car damaged) it has usually been caused by the ones that have moved here from manchester or salford. You also hear of robberies or cars stolen by people with a manchester accent. I can't remember one that said a Lancashire accent. Don't get me wrong there are some nice people in the cities too but the bad ones seem to be in large numbers. Before we were dumped in GM we didn't have the trouble with them as far as I remember.
Also I never said anything that is racist. Minton put those words in to make look like it was.
As for Heaton park being green, it's just a little patch compared to the rolling hills of the Pennines.
Posted by: Dave Winterton, Radcliffe, Manchester on 11:31am Wed 19 Mar 08
Les what planet are you on it takes about 20 minutes from Bury to the city centre on the Metrolink, how does that equate to a lot of time!!!!
Les you are not going to get international banks,5 star hotels and big business moving to Bury get a reality check, if people want to better themselves they will go where the best jobs are which are in the city. Thank god the mills shut down terrible polluters and even worse employers treating their staff like slaves.
Les if your previous posts didn't show biggotary then your last one did blaiming a cities populous for a minor crime and blaiming them for the ills of society really does display your small minded and biggoted view of a great city where like most places the majority of people are good. People are correct to pull you up for your views which do come across as biggoted and racist.
Bury wasn't dumped into Greater Manchester it was a natural progression for our town and one that has helped Bury to prosper and bring the big developers from the city who are currently improving Bury town centre bringing prosperity, investment, and breathing new life into Bury. Standing still is not an option for Bury or Greater Manchester, we are a city region on the move.
Why compare Heaton Park to the Pennines, Heaton Park is one of the largest parks in Europe and cannot be compared to a rolling hills both are brilliant in there own right. I could easily say how pathetic the pennines are when compared to the Lake District or the Highlands of Scotland that way you are really compring like with like. Les you are never going to change your biggoted view of our city as you are looking for something that Bury no is the changes we are seeing are something we are all better off for.
Les what planet are you on it takes about 20 minutes from Bury to the city centre on the Metrolink, how does that equate to a lot of time!!!!
Les you are not going to get international banks,5 star hotels and big business moving to Bury get a reality check, if people want to better themselves they will go where the best jobs are which are in the city. Thank god the mills shut down terrible polluters and even worse employers treating their staff like slaves.
Les if your previous posts didn't show biggotary then your last one did blaiming a cities populous for a minor crime and blaiming them for the ills of society really does display your small minded and biggoted view of a great city where like most places the majority of people are good. People are correct to pull you up for your views which do come across as biggoted and racist.
Bury wasn't dumped into Greater Manchester it was a natural progression for our town and one that has helped Bury to prosper and bring the big developers from the city who are currently improving Bury town centre bringing prosperity, investment, and breathing new life into Bury. Standing still is not an option for Bury or Greater Manchester, we are a city region on the move.
Why compare Heaton Park to the Pennines, Heaton Park is one of the largest parks in Europe and cannot be compared to a rolling hills both are brilliant in there own right. I could easily say how pathetic the pennines are when compared to the Lake District or the Highlands of Scotland that way you are really compring like with like. Les you are never going to change your biggoted view of our city as you are looking for something that Bury no is the changes we are seeing are something we are all better off for.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 2:34pm Wed 19 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dave Winterton[/bold] wrote:
Les what planet are you on it takes about 20 minutes from Bury to the city centre on the Metrolink, how does that equate to a lot of time!!!! Les you are not going to get international banks,5 star hotels and big business moving to Bury get a reality check, if people want to better themselves they will go where the best jobs are which are in the city. Thank god the mills shut down terrible polluters and even worse employers treating their staff like slaves. Les if your previous posts didn\'t show biggotary then your last one did blaiming a cities populous for a minor crime and blaiming them for the ills of society really does display your small minded and biggoted view of a great city where like most places the majority of people are good. People are correct to pull you up for your views which do come across as biggoted and racist. Bury wasn\'t dumped into Greater Manchester it was a natural progression for our town and one that has helped Bury to prosper and bring the big developers from the city who are currently improving Bury town centre bringing prosperity, investment, and breathing new life into Bury. Standing still is not an option for Bury or Greater Manchester, we are a city region on the move. Why compare Heaton Park to the Pennines, Heaton Park is one of the largest parks in Europe and cannot be compared to a rolling hills both are brilliant in there own right. I could easily say how pathetic the pennines are when compared to the Lake District or the Highlands of Scotland that way you are really compring like with like. Les you are never going to change your biggoted view of our city as you are looking for something that Bury no is the changes we are seeing are something we are all better off for.[/quote] Someone mentioned Heaton park, that little bit of grass that is further from me than the hills are. Yes the Highlands of Scotland are much nicer but the Grant brothers from the Highlands decided to start their businesses in Ramsbottom so it must be pretty good.
It may take you 20 mins to get to the city centre but I have to set off an hour before I need to be there to make sure I'm on time.
I'm definately not a bigot or racist. I would like to conserve the good things we had and the planet.
I wouldn't call some of the crimes minor even if you do.
As for multi-million pound companies, we did have them but they have gone without replacing them. What are we going to get next a couple of hundred part time jobs & even less full time ones.
Mills were a good place to work when I was in them & with fairly good wages. I'm not talking about the 19th century.
Now I will be lucky to earn £40k a year.
When I have been into the city to do a job all I notice is the noise, the dirt and, if I'm there late on, the drunks.
Dave Winterton wrote:
Les what planet are you on it takes about 20 minutes from Bury to the city centre on the Metrolink, how does that equate to a lot of time!!!! Les you are not going to get international banks,5 star hotels and big business moving to Bury get a reality check, if people want to better themselves they will go where the best jobs are which are in the city. Thank god the mills shut down terrible polluters and even worse employers treating their staff like slaves. Les if your previous posts didn\'t show biggotary then your last one did blaiming a cities populous for a minor crime and blaiming them for the ills of society really does display your small minded and biggoted view of a great city where like most places the majority of people are good. People are correct to pull you up for your views which do come across as biggoted and racist. Bury wasn\'t dumped into Greater Manchester it was a natural progression for our town and one that has helped Bury to prosper and bring the big developers from the city who are currently improving Bury town centre bringing prosperity, investment, and breathing new life into Bury. Standing still is not an option for Bury or Greater Manchester, we are a city region on the move. Why compare Heaton Park to the Pennines, Heaton Park is one of the largest parks in Europe and cannot be compared to a rolling hills both are brilliant in there own right. I could easily say how pathetic the pennines are when compared to the Lake District or the Highlands of Scotland that way you are really compring like with like. Les you are never going to change your biggoted view of our city as you are looking for something that Bury no is the changes we are seeing are something we are all better off for.
Someone mentioned Heaton park, that little bit of grass that is further from me than the hills are. Yes the Highlands of Scotland are much nicer but the Grant brothers from the Highlands decided to start their businesses in Ramsbottom so it must be pretty good.
It may take you 20 mins to get to the city centre but I have to set off an hour before I need to be there to make sure I'm on time.
I'm definately not a bigot or racist. I would like to conserve the good things we had and the planet.
I wouldn't call some of the crimes minor even if you do.
As for multi-million pound companies, we did have them but they have gone without replacing them. What are we going to get next a couple of hundred part time jobs & even less full time ones.
Mills were a good place to work when I was in them & with fairly good wages. I'm not talking about the 19th century.
Now I will be lucky to earn £40k a year.
When I have been into the city to do a job all I notice is the noise, the dirt and, if I'm there late on, the drunks.
Posted by: Greater Manchester Junior, Whitefield, Manchester on 9:52pm Wed 19 Mar 08
Les no wonder people are ripping into you with such a small minded and insular attitude. So you love Ramsbottom and hate anything to do with Manchester including Heaton Park, thank goodness you are in the minority, the pennines are the poor mans Cumbrian fells with that I have to agree.
An hour to get into town, how ridiculous, are you walking there!
If all you notice in town is the dirt and drunks then I would suggest you open your eyes and your mind. Why is your glass always half full Les?
Les no wonder people are ripping into you with such a small minded and insular attitude. So you love Ramsbottom and hate anything to do with Manchester including Heaton Park, thank goodness you are in the minority, the pennines are the poor mans Cumbrian fells with that I have to agree.
An hour to get into town, how ridiculous, are you walking there!
If all you notice in town is the dirt and drunks then I would suggest you open your eyes and your mind. Why is your glass always half full Les?
Posted by: Peter Robertson, Unsworth,Bury, Greater Manchester on 12:24am Thu 20 Mar 08
There is no point having a steam engine running commuters from Bury to Manchester the Metro provides a good enough service already. Who the hell is this Les guy, an absolute nutter who lives like it's the 60's, get with the times man, Bury is a great place to live but you have to say only due to it's closeness to Manchester and a steam train would make the commute much slower. I think we mean why is Les's glass half empty all the time, I wouldn't mind but Les isn't even from Bury, what a nut job!
There is no point having a steam engine running commuters from Bury to Manchester the Metro provides a good enough service already. Who the hell is this Les guy, an absolute nutter who lives like it's the 60's, get with the times man, Bury is a great place to live but you have to say only due to it's closeness to Manchester and a steam train would make the commute much slower. I think we mean why is Les's glass half empty all the time, I wouldn't mind but Les isn't even from Bury, what a nut job!
Posted by: simone prestock, Walshaw on 12:30am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Les[/bold] wrote:
So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?[/quote] Since when has Ramsbottom really been part of Bury, it hasn't got the Manchester dialling code like the rest of Bury and they speak with funny accents. Send them over the border into Lancashire and leave us Bury folk in peace.
Les wrote:
So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?
Since when has Ramsbottom really been part of Bury, it hasn't got the Manchester dialling code like the rest of Bury and they speak with funny accents. Send them over the border into Lancashire and leave us Bury folk in peace.
Posted by: To Minton, Rammy on 9:04am Thu 20 Mar 08
Minton,
You are the worst kind of racist this country has. Whilst Les may have strong views and judging by the responces on this board, strong and lonely views. He did not once mention colour or race in his discussion. People like you Minton Patel make me sick, the majority of us work hard to ensure that all nationalities / colours etc not only live together but actually enjoy living and working together, then you come along and make something that was not a racist issue a racist issue. Minton you are the racist and this country does not need you backward views. I enjoy the people I mix with as I am immesurably richer in the way of the world compared with 20 years ago. You need to get on board this wonderful multi cultural train Minton Patel or get out of the hair of the rest of us as we don't want racists here.
Minton,
You are the worst kind of racist this country has. Whilst Les may have strong views and judging by the responces on this board, strong and lonely views. He did not once mention colour or race in his discussion. People like you Minton Patel make me sick, the majority of us work hard to ensure that all nationalities / colours etc not only live together but actually enjoy living and working together, then you come along and make something that was not a racist issue a racist issue. Minton you are the racist and this country does not need you backward views. I enjoy the people I mix with as I am immesurably richer in the way of the world compared with 20 years ago. You need to get on board this wonderful multi cultural train Minton Patel or get out of the hair of the rest of us as we don't want racists here.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 9:50am Thu 20 Mar 08
[quote][bold]simone prestock[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Les[/bold] wrote: So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?[/quote] Since when has Ramsbottom really been part of Bury, it hasn't got the Manchester dialling code like the rest of Bury and they speak with funny accents. Send them over the border into Lancashire and leave us Bury folk in peace.[/quote] How many other places that are supposed to be part of GM got none manchester dialling codes - Bolton, Wigan, Tottington, Rochdale etc etc. That argument doesn't stand.
As for accents, at least they can say manchester not manchestor like many in GM. Having said that accents are a good thing and adds to our diversity.
simone prestock wrote:
Les wrote: So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?
Since when has Ramsbottom really been part of Bury, it hasn't got the Manchester dialling code like the rest of Bury and they speak with funny accents. Send them over the border into Lancashire and leave us Bury folk in peace.
How many other places that are supposed to be part of GM got none manchester dialling codes - Bolton, Wigan, Tottington, Rochdale etc etc. That argument doesn't stand.
As for accents, at least they can say manchester not manchestor like many in GM. Having said that accents are a good thing and adds to our diversity.
Posted by: Mike, Rossendale on 4:00pm Thu 20 Mar 08
Ignoring all that back biting it just sounds like another idea not thought through properly.
1) Steam engines would not be economical to use - to expensive to operate and maintain for a regulat service.
2) Metro trams on the ELR would require the overhead wire probably resulting in the banning of steam engines on the line , destroying a local tourist attraction.
The best solution would be link the 2 systems at Buckley Wells without a station then run 2 services from Rawtenstall. One to Bury and the other to Manchester using modern diesel stock
The only issue then is would it be cost effective because people still need to get to the stations. An integrated ticket system for buses/train/metro would be needed otherwise people would still use their cars.
Ignoring all that back biting it just sounds like another idea not thought through properly.
1) Steam engines would not be economical to use - to expensive to operate and maintain for a regulat service.
2) Metro trams on the ELR would require the overhead wire probably resulting in the banning of steam engines on the line , destroying a local tourist attraction.
The best solution would be link the 2 systems at Buckley Wells without a station then run 2 services from Rawtenstall. One to Bury and the other to Manchester using modern diesel stock
The only issue then is would it be cost effective because people still need to get to the stations. An integrated ticket system for buses/train/metro would be needed otherwise people would still use their cars.
Posted by: simone prestock, Walshaw on 9:35pm Fri 21 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Les[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]simone prestock[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Les[/bold] wrote: So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?[/quote] Since when has Ramsbottom really been part of Bury, it hasn't got the Manchester dialling code like the rest of Bury and they speak with funny accents. Send them over the border into Lancashire and leave us Bury folk in peace.[/quote] How many other places that are supposed to be part of GM got none manchester dialling codes - Bolton, Wigan, Tottington, Rochdale etc etc. That argument doesn't stand. As for accents, at least they can say manchester not manchestor like many in GM. Having said that accents are a good thing and adds to our diversity.[/quote] Les you have to admit people are pretty backward in Ramsbottom, I wouldn't really consider Rammy to be part of Bury as I said it doesn't share our dialling code and I wasn't discussing any other area such as Bolton or Rochdale they obviously don't have our dialling code but then they are not trying to be part of Bury are they? Leave Bury folk in peace Les you outsider!
Les wrote:
simone prestock wrote: Les wrote: So you can't remember Ramsbottom being part of Rossendale then?
Since when has Ramsbottom really been part of Bury, it hasn't got the Manchester dialling code like the rest of Bury and they speak with funny accents. Send them over the border into Lancashire and leave us Bury folk in peace.
How many other places that are supposed to be part of GM got none manchester dialling codes - Bolton, Wigan, Tottington, Rochdale etc etc. That argument doesn't stand. As for accents, at least they can say manchester not manchestor like many in GM. Having said that accents are a good thing and adds to our diversity.
Les you have to admit people are pretty backward in Ramsbottom, I wouldn't really consider Rammy to be part of Bury as I said it doesn't share our dialling code and I wasn't discussing any other area such as Bolton or Rochdale they obviously don't have our dialling code but then they are not trying to be part of Bury are they? Leave Bury folk in peace Les you outsider!
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 9:58pm Fri 21 Mar 08
I would love to move out of Bury but due to the overpaid, Ramsbottom & the countryside round & about have some of the highest house prices in the area.
Ramsbottom also isn't trying to part of Bury metro, they have just been put there.
As you are in Walshaw why are you for Bury anyway? They didn't even include you in the six towns.
Red rose forever.
I would love to move out of Bury but due to the overpaid, Ramsbottom & the countryside round & about have some of the highest house prices in the area.
Ramsbottom also isn't trying to part of Bury metro, they have just been put there.
As you are in Walshaw why are you for Bury anyway? They didn't even include you in the six towns.
Red rose forever.
Posted by: Tara Martins, parkhills, bury on 11:02pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Les you are a knob stop trying to wind everyone. Just pee off back to rammy and leave Bury alone. Walshaw is part of Bury proper so doesn't need mention in the six towns, Les you dumb arse. As for red rose if you love it so much Les why you don't pee off to lancy, Bury won't miss you. This is Greater Manchester where the rose is no longer.
Les you are a knob stop trying to wind everyone. Just pee off back to rammy and leave Bury alone. Walshaw is part of Bury proper so doesn't need mention in the six towns, Les you dumb arse. As for red rose if you love it so much Les why you don't pee off to lancy, Bury won't miss you. This is Greater Manchester where the rose is no longer.
Posted by: Nelly Wilson, Bury, Greater Manchester on 11:41pm Fri 21 Mar 08
Cut out the language if you don't mind. There aren't enough of us silver surfers around, so please treat Les with some respect. As for you Les you heap a lot of this abuse onto yourself constantly rambling on about Ramsbottom, old Lancashire and inflaming an already hot topic on these boards. I suggest you accept the changes and even embrace them. Bury didn't get to be the town it is today without hanging on the coat tails of Manchester for decades. I think once we became part of the Greater Manchester area a lot of changes for Bury were for the good.
Cut out the language if you don't mind. There aren't enough of us silver surfers around, so please treat Les with some respect. As for you Les you heap a lot of this abuse onto yourself constantly rambling on about Ramsbottom, old Lancashire and inflaming an already hot topic on these boards. I suggest you accept the changes and even embrace them. Bury didn't get to be the town it is today without hanging on the coat tails of Manchester for decades. I think once we became part of the Greater Manchester area a lot of changes for Bury were for the good.
Posted by: Rashid Khan, Radcliffe, Manchester on 2:15am Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]To Minton[/bold] wrote:
Minton, You are the worst kind of racist this country has. Whilst Les may have strong views and judging by the responces on this board, strong and lonely views. He did not once mention colour or race in his discussion. People like you Minton Patel make me sick, the majority of us work hard to ensure that all nationalities / colours etc not only live together but actually enjoy living and working together, then you come along and make something that was not a racist issue a racist issue. Minton you are the racist and this country does not need you backward views. I enjoy the people I mix with as I am immesurably richer in the way of the world compared with 20 years ago. You need to get on board this wonderful multi cultural train Minton Patel or get out of the hair of the rest of us as we don't want racists here.[/quote] First of all coward, why not post your own name? Secondly Les the bigott didn't need to mention colour or race in his post the fact Les was targetting people from Salford and blaiming them as a whole for crime in Bury is targetting a section of society with prejudice and indiscriminate and just the same as saying all Asian's or blacks are criminals the only difference being Les targeted a city due to his anti Manchester biggotary rather than a race. There is no difference. If you can't see that targetting any section of society whether due to colour, religion or geography is totally wrong then you are more thick than you first appear cowardly poster and you me me sick also. Also try not to contradict yourself in future you may then sound a little less thick. PS Greater Manchester Asians unite!
To Minton wrote:
Minton, You are the worst kind of racist this country has. Whilst Les may have strong views and judging by the responces on this board, strong and lonely views. He did not once mention colour or race in his discussion. People like you Minton Patel make me sick, the majority of us work hard to ensure that all nationalities / colours etc not only live together but actually enjoy living and working together, then you come along and make something that was not a racist issue a racist issue. Minton you are the racist and this country does not need you backward views. I enjoy the people I mix with as I am immesurably richer in the way of the world compared with 20 years ago. You need to get on board this wonderful multi cultural train Minton Patel or get out of the hair of the rest of us as we don't want racists here.
First of all coward, why not post your own name? Secondly Les the bigott didn't need to mention colour or race in his post the fact Les was targetting people from Salford and blaiming them as a whole for crime in Bury is targetting a section of society with prejudice and indiscriminate and just the same as saying all Asian's or blacks are criminals the only difference being Les targeted a city due to his anti Manchester biggotary rather than a race. There is no difference. If you can't see that targetting any section of society whether due to colour, religion or geography is totally wrong then you are more thick than you first appear cowardly poster and you me me sick also. Also try not to contradict yourself in future you may then sound a little less thick. PS Greater Manchester Asians unite!
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 9:10am Sat 22 Mar 08
First of all I am Neither a bigot or a racist.
Second all I have said is fact.
Third there is no comparison with what you are saying & what I'm saying.
Large numbers of people bring trouble & when they then go to other areas they take that with them.
I am old enough to remember being able to leave the door open when we went out & nothing being touched when we returned. There are still some villages I know where this still applies. You cannot do this in built up areas anymore.
PS The human race unite - Against criminals.
First of all I am Neither a bigot or a racist.
Second all I have said is fact.
Third there is no comparison with what you are saying & what I'm saying.
Large numbers of people bring trouble & when they then go to other areas they take that with them.
I am old enough to remember being able to leave the door open when we went out & nothing being touched when we returned. There are still some villages I know where this still applies. You cannot do this in built up areas anymore.
PS The human race unite - Against criminals.
Posted by: To Rashid Khan, Local on 10:36am Sat 22 Mar 08
Rashid, Both yourself and Minton raised the issue of racism, colour etc. You are playing the racism card, any excuse and you seem to want to scream to the world that you are badly done to. The reality is Les made no mention of race and was simply saying that cities have inherent problems as they are by their nature a large collection of people. As I said before I am immeasureably richer thanks to the Iraqies, Iranians, Saudi's, Chinese, Italians, Germans, French and Greeks that I work with on a daily basis and consider as my friends, in fact Hossein is on his way round with his family this morning. Perhps it is yourself who needs to open his eyes and view people as equals and reap the rewards of those who at first sight may lie outside your own circle but in reality are as much part of your family and your community.
PS Your insults only served to let yourself down. By all means respond but do so with more maturity and lets have a productive discussion.
Rashid, Both yourself and Minton raised the issue of racism, colour etc. You are playing the racism card, any excuse and you seem to want to scream to the world that you are badly done to. The reality is Les made no mention of race and was simply saying that cities have inherent problems as they are by their nature a large collection of people. As I said before I am immeasureably richer thanks to the Iraqies, Iranians, Saudi's, Chinese, Italians, Germans, French and Greeks that I work with on a daily basis and consider as my friends, in fact Hossein is on his way round with his family this morning. Perhps it is yourself who needs to open his eyes and view people as equals and reap the rewards of those who at first sight may lie outside your own circle but in reality are as much part of your family and your community.
PS Your insults only served to let yourself down. By all means respond but do so with more maturity and lets have a productive discussion.
Posted by: Betty Werneth, Brandlesholme, Bury. on 12:30pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Les you are fast becoming a joke on these messageboards, failing to asnwer questions put you, avoiding the points raisd only serves to show you up and yes, your commments have been very inflamatory so you deserve all the backlash and mud slung at you. Best of all the mysery poster who has come to les's side only serves to show that it would appear yet another of Les's made up alias's. Very sad indeed andshame on you Les.
Les you are fast becoming a joke on these messageboards, failing to asnwer questions put you, avoiding the points raisd only serves to show you up and yes, your commments have been very inflamatory so you deserve all the backlash and mud slung at you. Best of all the mysery poster who has come to les's side only serves to show that it would appear yet another of Les's made up alias's. Very sad indeed andshame on you Les.
Posted by: Chappers, Holcombe on 12:37pm Sat 22 Mar 08
I wouldn't bother yourself Betty. Les was caught making dual posts on the Hare and Hounds Easter thread, the guy is a joke making up other user names to argue with himself. Very bizzare, I think Les needs to get out a bit more?
I wouldn't bother yourself Betty. Les was caught making dual posts on the Hare and Hounds Easter thread, the guy is a joke making up other user names to argue with himself. Very bizzare, I think Les needs to get out a bit more?
Posted by: Rammy Dave, Ramsbottom on 1:06pm Sat 22 Mar 08
[quote][bold]To Rashid Khan[/bold] wrote:
Rashid, Both yourself and Minton raised the issue of racism, colour etc. You are playing the racism card, any excuse and you seem to want to scream to the world that you are badly done to. The reality is Les made no mention of race and was simply saying that cities have inherent problems as they are by their nature a large collection of people. As I said before I am immeasureably richer thanks to the Iraqies, Iranians, Saudi's, Chinese, Italians, Germans, French and Greeks that I work with on a daily basis and consider as my friends, in fact Hossein is on his way round with his family this morning. Perhps it is yourself who needs to open his eyes and view people as equals and reap the rewards of those who at first sight may lie outside your own circle but in reality are as much part of your family and your community. PS Your insults only served to let yourself down. By all means respond but do so with more maturity and lets have a productive discussion.[/quote] But who do we all respond to Les or all his other posting id's with no names ????????????????????
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To Rashid Khan wrote:
Rashid, Both yourself and Minton raised the issue of racism, colour etc. You are playing the racism card, any excuse and you seem to want to scream to the world that you are badly done to. The reality is Les made no mention of race and was simply saying that cities have inherent problems as they are by their nature a large collection of people. As I said before I am immeasureably richer thanks to the Iraqies, Iranians, Saudi's, Chinese, Italians, Germans, French and Greeks that I work with on a daily basis and consider as my friends, in fact Hossein is on his way round with his family this morning. Perhps it is yourself who needs to open his eyes and view people as equals and reap the rewards of those who at first sight may lie outside your own circle but in reality are as much part of your family and your community. PS Your insults only served to let yourself down. By all means respond but do so with more maturity and lets have a productive discussion.
But who do we all respond to Les or all his other posting id's with no names ????????????????????
??????
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 2:52pm Sat 22 Mar 08
I don't use aliases.
As for questions - Fire away!!!
Your no doubt a load of kids anyway - ie under 30 yrs.
I don't use aliases.
As for questions - Fire away!!!
Your no doubt a load of kids anyway - ie under 30 yrs.
Posted by: Rashid Khan, Radcliffe, Manchester on 5:19pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Come of it les you have been caught with your pants down this time. What does age matter anyway. Just another way for you to discriminate against people is it Les?
Come of it les you have been caught with your pants down this time. What does age matter anyway. Just another way for you to discriminate against people is it Les?
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 9:24pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Quite simple Rashid, you are no doubt too young to remember the good times.
When there was trust between people. When very few broke the law, whether it be speeding or not paying there taxes or robbery etc etc.
All this started in the early 70's. The reasons I have already given.
Quite simple Rashid, you are no doubt too young to remember the good times.
When there was trust between people. When very few broke the law, whether it be speeding or not paying there taxes or robbery etc etc.
All this started in the early 70's. The reasons I have already given.
Posted by: Rashid Khan, Radcliffe, Manchester on 9:46pm Sat 22 Mar 08
Les please do tell us the reasons why everything changed in the 70's? I think it is more to do with your mindset rather than things changing there has always been crime whether it's robbery or rape, we are just more aware of it now rather than it not being reported and being swept under the carpet. Go back to Victorian Manchester with the gangs of child robbers who would murder adults and steal their belongings to feed their gin habits etc or the razor gangs of Glasgow. Stop living in the past Les times have changed and in the main for the better of most of us.
Les please do tell us the reasons why everything changed in the 70's? I think it is more to do with your mindset rather than things changing there has always been crime whether it's robbery or rape, we are just more aware of it now rather than it not being reported and being swept under the carpet. Go back to Victorian Manchester with the gangs of child robbers who would murder adults and steal their belongings to feed their gin habits etc or the razor gangs of Glasgow. Stop living in the past Les times have changed and in the main for the better of most of us.
Posted by: Tim Piggott, Bury on 11:33pm Sat 22 Mar 08
lets hear it les again blaim Mancunians for all the crime as you have done in your previous posts. I'm sorry but if thats not discrimination by blaiming the crimes of one person on a city then I really can't think what racism is? Les I lived through the 70's in Bury and there was plenty of crime such as bank robberies, assaults and so on. May be your are becoming forgetful in your old age Les?
lets hear it les again blaim Mancunians for all the crime as you have done in your previous posts. I'm sorry but if thats not discrimination by blaiming the crimes of one person on a city then I really can't think what racism is? Les I lived through the 70's in Bury and there was plenty of crime such as bank robberies, assaults and so on. May be your are becoming forgetful in your old age Les?
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 11:22am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Tim Piggott[/bold] wrote:
lets hear it les again blaim Mancunians for all the crime as you have done in your previous posts. I'm sorry but if thats not discrimination by blaiming the crimes of one person on a city then I really can't think what racism is? Les I lived through the 70's in Bury and there was plenty of crime such as bank robberies, assaults and so on. May be your are becoming forgetful in your old age Les?[/quote] So you obviously haven't read what I wrote.
If you lived through the 70's you will know what trouble came here.
The 50's & 60's being much better with less trouble of the type I mentioned.
As for assaults it was usually one on one not gangs.
As for racism there is definately none in any of my posts. So obviously you cannot think at all.
Tim Piggott wrote:
lets hear it les again blaim Mancunians for all the crime as you have done in your previous posts. I'm sorry but if thats not discrimination by blaiming the crimes of one person on a city then I really can't think what racism is? Les I lived through the 70's in Bury and there was plenty of crime such as bank robberies, assaults and so on. May be your are becoming forgetful in your old age Les?
So you obviously haven't read what I wrote.
If you lived through the 70's you will know what trouble came here.
The 50's & 60's being much better with less trouble of the type I mentioned.
As for assaults it was usually one on one not gangs.
As for racism there is definately none in any of my posts. So obviously you cannot think at all.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 11:31am Sun 23 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Rashid Khan[/bold] wrote:
Les please do tell us the reasons why everything changed in the 70's? I think it is more to do with your mindset rather than things changing there has always been crime whether it's robbery or rape, we are just more aware of it now rather than it not being reported and being swept under the carpet. Go back to Victorian Manchester with the gangs of child robbers who would murder adults and steal their belongings to feed their gin habits etc or the razor gangs of Glasgow. Stop living in the past Les times have changed and in the main for the better of most of us. [/quote] The 70's was the time when things started to change.
In Cities there has always been crime but much less in the small towns & villages. Here is where it has changed.
Times have changed &, for this type of thing, for the worse.
Why not look to the better things from the past because we seem to be going backwards to the Victorian times with crime.
Rashid Khan wrote:
Les please do tell us the reasons why everything changed in the 70's? I think it is more to do with your mindset rather than things changing there has always been crime whether it's robbery or rape, we are just more aware of it now rather than it not being reported and being swept under the carpet. Go back to Victorian Manchester with the gangs of child robbers who would murder adults and steal their belongings to feed their gin habits etc or the razor gangs of Glasgow. Stop living in the past Les times have changed and in the main for the better of most of us.
The 70's was the time when things started to change.
In Cities there has always been crime but much less in the small towns & villages. Here is where it has changed.
Times have changed &, for this type of thing, for the worse.
Why not look to the better things from the past because we seem to be going backwards to the Victorian times with crime.
Posted by: Rashid Khan, Radcliffe, Manchester on 12:51pm Sun 23 Mar 08
What a shame you are obviously advanded in your age Les but haven't been able to come to terms with accepting change despite being on the planet for a considerable amount of time. Bury is a great place to live and one of the safest places in Greater Manchester. Les you are a very depressive individual, stop being so negative only by being positive can you effect change. I have to agree with the other posters you do come across as a sectarian and very anti Manchester, which is something people are going to pick up on and give you a pasting for.
What a shame you are obviously advanded in your age Les but haven't been able to come to terms with accepting change despite being on the planet for a considerable amount of time. Bury is a great place to live and one of the safest places in Greater Manchester. Les you are a very depressive individual, stop being so negative only by being positive can you effect change. I have to agree with the other posters you do come across as a sectarian and very anti Manchester, which is something people are going to pick up on and give you a pasting for.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 5:49pm Sun 23 Mar 08
What I am against is Cities encroching on the countryside as it has.
People can pick up on things as much as they want but it will not change the way I feel.
Change can be a bad thing.
How can you be positive about thousands of houses etc being built with an increase of population and a reduction in jobs- real jobs.
The government want to get cars off the roads. The easiest way to do this is have jobs nearer to homes, NOT put more trains & buses on.
A few of my recent thoughts:-
Flaming kids causing trouble on the streets again. Why can't it be lovely & quiet again. Good job the weather isn't to good or the motorbikes would be out & the kids drunk on the streets. Will soon be summer & no real nights sleep again.
What I am against is Cities encroching on the countryside as it has.
People can pick up on things as much as they want but it will not change the way I feel.
Change can be a bad thing.
How can you be positive about thousands of houses etc being built with an increase of population and a reduction in jobs- real jobs.
The government want to get cars off the roads. The easiest way to do this is have jobs nearer to homes, NOT put more trains & buses on.
A few of my recent thoughts:-
Flaming kids causing trouble on the streets again. Why can't it be lovely & quiet again. Good job the weather isn't to good or the motorbikes would be out & the kids drunk on the streets. Will soon be summer & no real nights sleep again.
Posted by: Dave Winterton, Radcliffe, Manchester on 9:43pm Sun 23 Mar 08
What countryside has Manchester encroached on to Les? Bury is a natural suburb of the city, decades of concentric rings of urban expansion have seen Bury flourish due to it's close proximity to the city of Manchester. You need to accept this fact Les, progress has seen Bury flourish.
The powers that be fully expect Bury to become part of the city of Manchester within the next 20 to 30 years- The Association Of Greater Manchester authorities, Greater Manchester chamber of Commerce( of which Bury is a member) and Marketing Manchester have said as much many times over the past 5 years. I for one cannot wait for this to happen.
Les where has there been a decrease in jobs for people in Bury, officially with half of Bury's population work and play in the city centre and are employed in jobs ranging from construction to company directors, your point regarding real jobs is totally incorrect. I must agree with the point raised by the previous poster that you are a very depressing character Les, Bury has not made the big strides to become one of the nicest boroughs in Greater Manchester by harping back to the 60's and turning down the chance of investment.
What countryside has Manchester encroached on to Les? Bury is a natural suburb of the city, decades of concentric rings of urban expansion have seen Bury flourish due to it's close proximity to the city of Manchester. You need to accept this fact Les, progress has seen Bury flourish.
The powers that be fully expect Bury to become part of the city of Manchester within the next 20 to 30 years- The Association Of Greater Manchester authorities, Greater Manchester chamber of Commerce( of which Bury is a member) and Marketing Manchester have said as much many times over the past 5 years. I for one cannot wait for this to happen.
Les where has there been a decrease in jobs for people in Bury, officially with half of Bury's population work and play in the city centre and are employed in jobs ranging from construction to company directors, your point regarding real jobs is totally incorrect. I must agree with the point raised by the previous poster that you are a very depressing character Les, Bury has not made the big strides to become one of the nicest boroughs in Greater Manchester by harping back to the 60's and turning down the chance of investment.
Posted by: Les, Bury, Lancashire on 11:15am Mon 24 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Dave Winterton[/bold] wrote:
What countryside has Manchester encroached on to Les? Bury is a natural suburb of the city, decades of concentric rings of urban expansion have seen Bury flourish due to it\'s close proximity to the city of Manchester. You need to accept this fact Les, progress has seen Bury flourish. The powers that be fully expect Bury to become part of the city of Manchester within the next 20 to 30 years- The Association Of Greater Manchester authorities, Greater Manchester chamber of Commerce( of which Bury is a member) and Marketing Manchester have said as much many times over the past 5 years. I for one cannot wait for this to happen. Les where has there been a decrease in jobs for people in Bury, officially with half of Bury\'s population work and play in the city centre and are employed in jobs ranging from construction to company directors, your point regarding real jobs is totally incorrect. I must agree with the point raised by the previous poster that you are a very depressing character Les, Bury has not made the big strides to become one of the nicest boroughs in Greater Manchester by harping back to the 60\'s and turning down the chance of investment.[/quote] Bury south maybe a natural suburb of manchester but not the north.
The building of houses started very recently in the 60's with the manchester overspill on Nuttall Lane & has continued since. Hundreds of houses now built on the fields between Ramsbottom & Summerseat and many others. You can see from the national speed limit being moved twice on Brandlesholme road how much building has taken place.
The loss of jobs is IN Bury, not a long way away down in manchester.
You still do not understand what I'm saying do you?
You say half the population of Bury travel to the city. Well lets say this is 30,000 and they travel an average of 10 miles (Although some will travel more like 15 from the north) That is 300,000 miles each way a day. For a 5 day working week that's 138,000,000 miles a year, if they work 46 weeks. Move some of these jobs to Bury & surrounding districts & the governemnt would be a great deal closer to their targets on pollution. Just think if this was done in all cities. I know someone who travels 70 miles each way into London.
Now the type of jobs I would be looking for are in Trafford Park. Electrical, Electronics, Mechanical & computer controls on production machines. This is what I mean by thinking & doing. I don't want to sit at a desk just thinking, I would get bored, I want the physical side too. This is also what I mean by real jobs.
Bury is fast becoming a housing estate with few shops. I have seen other places that have become ghost towns when people stop spending with shops boarded up etc. We need other jobs too.
You are the one that causing depression - Part of the Centre of Manchester - YUK
Dave Winterton wrote:
What countryside has Manchester encroached on to Les? Bury is a natural suburb of the city, decades of concentric rings of urban expansion have seen Bury flourish due to it\'s close proximity to the city of Manchester. You need to accept this fact Les, progress has seen Bury flourish. The powers that be fully expect Bury to become part of the city of Manchester within the next 20 to 30 years- The Association Of Greater Manchester authorities, Greater Manchester chamber of Commerce( of which Bury is a member) and Marketing Manchester have said as much many times over the past 5 years. I for one cannot wait for this to happen. Les where has there been a decrease in jobs for people in Bury, officially with half of Bury\'s population work and play in the city centre and are employed in jobs ranging from construction to company directors, your point regarding real jobs is totally incorrect. I must agree with the point raised by the previous poster that you are a very depressing character Les, Bury has not made the big strides to become one of the nicest boroughs in Greater Manchester by harping back to the 60\'s and turning down the chance of investment.
Bury south maybe a natural suburb of manchester but not the north.
The building of houses started very recently in the 60's with the manchester overspill on Nuttall Lane & has continued since. Hundreds of houses now built on the fields between Ramsbottom & Summerseat and many others. You can see from the national speed limit being moved twice on Brandlesholme road how much building has taken place.
The loss of jobs is IN Bury, not a long way away down in manchester.
You still do not understand what I'm saying do you?
You say half the population of Bury travel to the city. Well lets say this is 30,000 and they travel an average of 10 miles (Although some will travel more like 15 from the north) That is 300,000 miles each way a day. For a 5 day working week that's 138,000,000 miles a year, if they work 46 weeks. Move some of these jobs to Bury & surrounding districts & the governemnt would be a great deal closer to their targets on pollution. Just think if this was done in all cities. I know someone who travels 70 miles each way into London.
Now the type of jobs I would be looking for are in Trafford Park. Electrical, Electronics, Mechanical & computer controls on production machines. This is what I mean by thinking & doing. I don't want to sit at a desk just thinking, I would get bored, I want the physical side too. This is also what I mean by real jobs.
Bury is fast becoming a housing estate with few shops. I have seen other places that have become ghost towns when people stop spending with shops boarded up etc. We need other jobs too.
You are the one that causing depression - Part of the Centre of Manchester - YUK
Posted by: Betty Werneth, Brandlesholme, Bury. on 10:48am Tue 25 Mar 08
Les please don't state your biased opinion as fact a massive amount of us travel into city centre Manchester every weekday for work on the number 90 bus from First Manchester from Ramsbottom, Holcombe, Summerseat and Brandlesholme.
I doubt it's that people don't understand what you are saying Les, it is more a case of not believing you.Les what you write in your posts does not reflect the truth. I find it ridiculous that you think jobs such as construction or being a managing director of a company are not real jobs, if these are not thinking and doing jobs then yet again you are talking out of your hat Les.
How is Bury becoming a housing estate ? look at what is happening in the town centre with regards to retail? I'm afraid it would appear that most of Bury and the world are out of step with your warped sense of reality Les.
Les please don't state your biased opinion as fact a massive amount of us travel into city centre Manchester every weekday for work on the number 90 bus from First Manchester from Ramsbottom, Holcombe, Summerseat and Brandlesholme.
I doubt it's that people don't understand what you are saying Les, it is more a case of not believing you.Les what you write in your posts does not reflect the truth. I find it ridiculous that you think jobs such as construction or being a managing director of a company are not real jobs, if these are not thinking and doing jobs then yet again you are talking out of your hat Les.
How is Bury becoming a housing estate ? look at what is happening in the town centre with regards to retail? I'm afraid it would appear that most of Bury and the world are out of step with your warped sense of reality Les.
Posted by: Dennis Cotton, Bury, Greater Manchester on 6:44pm Tue 25 Mar 08
[quote][bold]Les[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Dave Winterton[/bold] wrote: What countryside has Manchester encroached on to Les? Bury is a natural subu
