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Change to driving lessons on its way
BOLTON West MP Ruth Kelly has announced plans to change the way people learn to drive and are tested.
The Transport Secretary was prompted to overhaul the system after figures revealed that while road deaths and serious injuries have fallen by a third since the mid-1990s, the casualty rate for young drivers has not changed.
One in five people have an accident within six months of passing their test, with another 70 per cent reporting near-misss in the same period.
Newly-qualified drivers and their passengers account for 20 per cent all car deaths in Britain.
A foundation course in safe road use for people under the age of 17 will be piloted in schools and colleges in Scotland from September, leading to the development of a qualification that will be available across the UK.
Ms Kelly said: "Every year more than 750,000 people pass their driving test. New drivers are keen to gain the freedom driving offers them to access further education, jobs or keep in touch with family and friends.
"But too many drivers are involved in road accidents and are not properly prepared for driving alone. It's time for a new approach to learning to drive. We must make sure novice drivers are safe drivers."
Learner drivers will embark on a training course to teach them to be safe drivers.
A new driving test, which requires the driver to demonstrate independent driving skills and clear understanding of different situations on the road, will also be introduced.
5:43pm Wednesday 7th May 2008
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CommentPosted by: chas, suffolk on 6:13pm Wed 7 May 08
I am not surprised that newly qualified drivers have been involved in so many accidents.
What ever happened to the idea of newly qualified drivers using a 'P' plate for a year after passing their test?
I am not surprised that newly qualified drivers have been involved in so many accidents.
What ever happened to the idea of newly qualified drivers using a 'P' plate for a year after passing their test?
Posted by: VM User, Bolton on 6:26pm Wed 7 May 08
They * No understand de Engleesh*?
They * No understand de Engleesh*?
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 6:42pm Wed 7 May 08
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 7:10pm Wed 7 May 08
Sun
Is that because they are always looking eastwards?
Sun
Is that because they are always looking eastwards?
Posted by: buglerboy, swinton on 7:24pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.[/quote] racist dork.
Sun Tzu wrote:
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
racist dork.
Posted by: andrew, Bolton on 7:34pm Wed 7 May 08
If 20% of deaths are caused by newly qualified drivers, then 80% are caused by so-called "experienced" drivers.
But we never seem to get a solution in that area.
Let's have re-tests every few years, after all cars have to pass an MOT every year. Link insurance premiums to the grade you get in your qualification (have say 3 levels of pass, merit and distinction) and then we might see some improvements.
VM User, Sun & Chas... your comments are just plain wrong. Men used to say women were the worst drivers. The stats show something different, and now they get better insurance rates as a result.
If 20% of deaths are caused by newly qualified drivers, then 80% are caused by so-called "experienced" drivers.
But we never seem to get a solution in that area.
Let's have re-tests every few years, after all cars have to pass an MOT every year. Link insurance premiums to the grade you get in your qualification (have say 3 levels of pass, merit and distinction) and then we might see some improvements.
VM User, Sun & Chas... your comments are just plain wrong. Men used to say women were the worst drivers. The stats show something different, and now they get better insurance rates as a result.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 7:41pm Wed 7 May 08
Nothing to do with racism. I drive on the roads of Bolton and the worst drivers are Asians.
Nothing to do with racism. I drive on the roads of Bolton and the worst drivers are Asians.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 7:53pm Wed 7 May 08
Andrew wrote.[quote]VM User, Sun & Chas... your comments are just plain wrong. Men used to say women were the worst drivers. The stats show something different, and now they get better insurance rates as a result.[/quote] Where did I say that men were better drivers than women?
I am not a sexist like you.
Andrew wrote.
VM User, Sun & Chas... your comments are just plain wrong. Men used to say women were the worst drivers. The stats show something different, and now they get better insurance rates as a result.
Where did I say that men were better drivers than women?
I am not a sexist like you.
Posted by: chas, suffolk on 8:06pm Wed 7 May 08
Andrew wrote[quote]Let's have re-tests every few years, after all cars have to pass an MOT every year. Link insurance premiums to the grade you get in your qualification (have say 3 levels of pass, merit and distinction) and then we might see some improvements[/quote]
I've a better idea. Why not have a no claims bonus, where if you don't have an accident, you get a discount.
Andrew wrote
Let's have re-tests every few years, after all cars have to pass an MOT every year. Link insurance premiums to the grade you get in your qualification (have say 3 levels of pass, merit and distinction) and then we might see some improvements
I've a better idea. Why not have a no claims bonus, where if you don't have an accident, you get a discount.
Posted by: BoltonDave, Tonge Moor on 8:25pm Wed 7 May 08
Can you imagine the uproar if blokes were to get cheaper insurance than women for being better drivers?
Sexism is like racism, it only works one way.
Can you imagine the uproar if blokes were to get cheaper insurance than women for being better drivers?
Sexism is like racism, it only works one way.
Posted by: andrew, Bolton on 8:34pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Andrew wrote[quote]Let's have re-tests every few years, after all cars have to pass an MOT every year. Link insurance premiums to the grade you get in your qualification (have say 3 levels of pass, merit and distinction) and then we might see some improvements[/quote]
I've a better idea. Why not have a no claims bonus, where if you don't have an accident, you get a discount. [/quote] Because Chas, no claims bonuses are irrelevant to the quality of your driving. It just means you haven't made a claim.
Sun talks about quality of driving. I would bet most of the people considered bad drivers by Sun won't have made claims.
chas wrote:
Andrew wroteLet's have re-tests every few years, after all cars have to pass an MOT every year. Link insurance premiums to the grade you get in your qualification (have say 3 levels of pass, merit and distinction) and then we might see some improvements
I've a better idea. Why not have a no claims bonus, where if you don't have an accident, you get a discount.
Because Chas, no claims bonuses are irrelevant to the quality of your driving. It just means you haven't made a claim.
Sun talks about quality of driving. I would bet most of the people considered bad drivers by Sun won't have made claims.
Posted by: andrew, Bolton on 8:35pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]chas[/bold] wrote:
Andrew wrote.[quote]VM User, Sun & Chas... your comments are just plain wrong. Men used to say women were the worst drivers. The stats show something different, and now they get better insurance rates as a result.[/quote] Where did I say that men were better drivers than women?
I am not a sexist like you.[/quote] I was giving the sexist comments of the past as an example of why racist comments of today are no better.
chas wrote:
Andrew wrote.VM User, Sun & Chas... your comments are just plain wrong. Men used to say women were the worst drivers. The stats show something different, and now they get better insurance rates as a result.
Where did I say that men were better drivers than women?
I am not a sexist like you.
I was giving the sexist comments of the past as an example of why racist comments of today are no better.
Posted by: Phil, Bolton on 8:36pm Wed 7 May 08
Another crazy unworkable idea from Ruth Kelly. She is dangerous with everything she does not just driving. After this latest idea she will move to yet another government department.
Another crazy unworkable idea from Ruth Kelly. She is dangerous with everything she does not just driving. After this latest idea she will move to yet another government department.
Posted by: Anti-PC, Bury on 8:43pm Wed 7 May 08
Courses and stuff won't improve kids' accident rates. They're dangerous because of their attitude. They don't want to learn so introducing another course is just another thing they won't do.
And Sun Tzu is right, I drive in Bolton a lot and the d!ckhead swerving in front of you from the wrong lane at any traffic light in Daubhill is invariably asian. Insurance companies already discriminate between men and women, so why don't they introduce appropriately weighted premiums for asian drivers based on their accident rate?
Courses and stuff won't improve kids' accident rates. They're dangerous because of their attitude. They don't want to learn so introducing another course is just another thing they won't do.
And Sun Tzu is right, I drive in Bolton a lot and the d!ckhead swerving in front of you from the wrong lane at any traffic light in Daubhill is invariably asian. Insurance companies already discriminate between men and women, so why don't they introduce appropriately weighted premiums for asian drivers based on their accident rate?
Posted by: MICK, BOLTON on 8:54pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote]A foundation course in safe road use for people under the age of 17 will be piloted in schools and colleges in Scotland from September, leading to the development of a qualification that will be available across the UK.[/quote]
I didn't go to smithills but some of my mates did in the late 70's early 80's and they did a lesson called 'step' that involved learning to drive cars and ride motorbikes also the highway code so this is not a new idea and maybe never should of been stopped.
A foundation course in safe road use for people under the age of 17 will be piloted in schools and colleges in Scotland from September, leading to the development of a qualification that will be available across the UK.
I didn't go to smithills but some of my mates did in the late 70's early 80's and they did a lesson called 'step' that involved learning to drive cars and ride motorbikes also the highway code so this is not a new idea and maybe never should of been stopped.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 8:58pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Andrew Bolton[/bold] wrote
Sun talks about quality of driving. I would bet most of the people considered bad drivers by Sun won't have made claims.[/quote]
I doubt many of them have insurance or a driving licence.
I believe the manoeuvre which Anti-PC describes, is now know as an Amir Khan.
Andrew Bolton wrote
Sun talks about quality of driving. I would bet most of the people considered bad drivers by Sun won't have made claims.
I doubt many of them have insurance or a driving licence.
I believe the manoeuvre which Anti-PC describes, is now know as an Amir Khan.
Posted by: David Lonsdale, Spain on 9:02pm Wed 7 May 08
Ruth Kelly has to be one of the most inept Minister in a poor bunch. She continues to meet my low expectations.
I do not expect Kelly to understand but the reason that young lads crash is testosterone and no amount of training will cure that.
Ruth Kelly has to be one of the most inept Minister in a poor bunch. She continues to meet my low expectations.
I do not expect Kelly to understand but the reason that young lads crash is testosterone and no amount of training will cure that.
Posted by: Anti-PC, Bury on 9:14pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
I believe the manoeuvre which Anti-PC describes, is now know as an Amir Khan.[/quote]
Abso-blinkin-lutely.
Of course, his insurance record will be whiter than white because of 'celebrity justice'. Celebrity lawyers got him off with only 'careless driving' whereas you or me would be charged with dangerous driving for the same thing.
That's why we can't trust claim statistics; it's what we see day in, day out with our own eyes that counts.
Sun Tzu wrote:
I believe the manoeuvre which Anti-PC describes, is now know as an Amir Khan.
Abso-blinkin-lutely.
Of course, his insurance record will be whiter than white because of 'celebrity justice'. Celebrity lawyers got him off with only 'careless driving' whereas you or me would be charged with dangerous driving for the same thing.
That's why we can't trust claim statistics; it's what we see day in, day out with our own eyes that counts.
Posted by: stripeypaw, the sunny side on 9:23pm Wed 7 May 08
i find the people who drive most on the roads of bolton (taxi drivers,lorry and van drivers )are the most inconsiderate you would think with their experience they would be better
i find the people who drive most on the roads of bolton (taxi drivers,lorry and van drivers )are the most inconsiderate you would think with their experience they would be better
Posted by: stripeypaw, the sunny side on 9:24pm Wed 7 May 08
i find the people who drive most on the roads of bolton (taxi drivers,lorry and van drivers )are the most inconsiderate you would think with their experience they would be better
i find the people who drive most on the roads of bolton (taxi drivers,lorry and van drivers )are the most inconsiderate you would think with their experience they would be better
Posted by: don060541, devon on 9:25pm Wed 7 May 08
Just another way to screw more money out of people,
Common sense says the more cars on the road the more accidents you will get,
Its not rocket sceince,
Just another way to screw more money out of people,
Common sense says the more cars on the road the more accidents you will get,
Its not rocket sceince,
Posted by: spice, bolton on 9:35pm Wed 7 May 08
How long before this thread gets closed down just the mention of A Kn and its taken off,
How long before this thread gets closed down just the mention of A Kn and its taken off,
Posted by: Alice, Through the Looking Glass on 9:50pm Wed 7 May 08
Andrew :
In Canada good drivers get an accident free discount (not a claim free!)
In other words, if you have an accident and the police determine it was your fault then it goes on your record and your premiums lose the discount.
Seems to work
Andrew :
In Canada good drivers get an accident free discount (not a claim free!)
In other words, if you have an accident and the police determine it was your fault then it goes on your record and your premiums lose the discount.
Seems to work
Posted by: Marty, London on 10:15pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.[/quote] Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself.
Sun Tzu wrote:
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself.
Posted by: bwfc season ticket holder, gt lever on 10:23pm Wed 7 May 08
talking about asians drivers
why do 17-18 yr old asians drive around in super charged sports cars surely uninsured
drivers with less than 10 yrs accident free driving should be limited to no more than 1.4 cars
talking about asians drivers
why do 17-18 yr old asians drive around in super charged sports cars surely uninsured
drivers with less than 10 yrs accident free driving should be limited to no more than 1.4 cars
Posted by: BoltonDave, Tonge Moor on 10:25pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.[/quote] Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself. [/quote] Sun is just stating a fact. Or is that not allowed in this poxy PC state we exist in?
You don't have to read the comments that people make, if a person has something to say, until such a time that the comments get deleted, then free speech is still an option.
Marty wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote: The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself.
Sun is just stating a fact. Or is that not allowed in this poxy PC state we exist in?
You don't have to read the comments that people make, if a person has something to say, until such a time that the comments get deleted, then free speech is still an option.
Posted by: Marty, London on 10:26pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]BoltonDave[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.[/quote] Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself. [/quote] Sun is just stating a fact. Or is that not allowed in this poxy PC state we exist in? You don't have to read the comments that people make, if a person has something to say, until such a time that the comments get deleted, then free speech is still an option.[/quote] I was talking to the organ grinder, not the monkey
BoltonDave wrote:
Marty wrote: Sun Tzu wrote: The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself.
Sun is just stating a fact. Or is that not allowed in this poxy PC state we exist in? You don't have to read the comments that people make, if a person has something to say, until such a time that the comments get deleted, then free speech is still an option.
I was talking to the organ grinder, not the monkey
Posted by: BoltonDave, Tonge Moor on 10:31pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]BoltonDave[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.[/quote] Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself. [/quote] Sun is just stating a fact. Or is that not allowed in this poxy PC state we exist in? You don't have to read the comments that people make, if a person has something to say, until such a time that the comments get deleted, then free speech is still an option.[/quote] I was talking to the organ grinder, not the monkey[/quote] Not taken you long to pick up the art of being a cockney w@nker has it?
Marty wrote:
BoltonDave wrote: Marty wrote: Sun Tzu wrote: The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
Why do you turn everything around to be about race or immigration? And then, when the comments are wiped and locked, you blame it on someone else. You are boring and predictable. If you have got nothing else to say please just keep it to yourself.
Sun is just stating a fact. Or is that not allowed in this poxy PC state we exist in? You don't have to read the comments that people make, if a person has something to say, until such a time that the comments get deleted, then free speech is still an option.
I was talking to the organ grinder, not the monkey
Not taken you long to pick up the art of being a cockney w@nker has it?
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:36pm Wed 7 May 08
Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.
Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.
Posted by: Marty, London on 10:41pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.[/quote] That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?
Sun Tzu wrote:
Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.
That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?
Posted by: gordon bennett on 10:50pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]bwfc season ticket holder[/bold] wrote:
talking about asians drivers why do 17-18 yr old asians drive around in super charged sports cars surely uninsured drivers with less than 10 yrs accident free driving should be limited to no more than 1.4 cars [/quote] Their super charged cars will be bought with their drug dealing profits and benefit fiddles.
bwfc season ticket holder wrote:
talking about asians drivers why do 17-18 yr old asians drive around in super charged sports cars surely uninsured drivers with less than 10 yrs accident free driving should be limited to no more than 1.4 cars
Their super charged cars will be bought with their drug dealing profits and benefit fiddles.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 10:58pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.[/quote] That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?[/quote] Why are you such a tool?
I comment on plenty subjects beside immigration and race issues but if it's relevant then I'll say it. If you don't like it don't come here and besides the only time you seem to have anything to say is on race and immigration.
Marty wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.
That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?
Why are you such a tool?
I comment on plenty subjects beside immigration and race issues but if it's relevant then I'll say it. If you don't like it don't come here and besides the only time you seem to have anything to say is on race and immigration.
Posted by: Marty, London on 11:09pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.[/quote] That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?[/quote] Why are you such a tool? I comment on plenty subjects beside immigration and race issues but if it's relevant then I'll say it. If you don't like it don't come here and besides the only time you seem to have anything to say is on race and immigration.[/quote] I shouldn't need to remind you that this story is entitled 'Change to driving lessons on its way'. You were not commenting about a race issue, you turned it into a race issue. Your comment says nothing about the story and everything about you. I only chip in on the odd day I look in. Every single time I do you are talking nonsense about race and immigration.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Marty wrote: Sun Tzu wrote: Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.
That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?
Why are you such a tool? I comment on plenty subjects beside immigration and race issues but if it's relevant then I'll say it. If you don't like it don't come here and besides the only time you seem to have anything to say is on race and immigration.
I shouldn't need to remind you that this story is entitled 'Change to driving lessons on its way'. You were not commenting about a race issue, you turned it into a race issue. Your comment says nothing about the story and everything about you. I only chip in on the odd day I look in. Every single time I do you are talking nonsense about race and immigration.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 11:18pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote: [quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote: Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.[/quote] That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?[/quote] Why are you such a tool? I comment on plenty subjects beside immigration and race issues but if it's relevant then I'll say it. If you don't like it don't come here and besides the only time you seem to have anything to say is on race and immigration.[/quote] I shouldn't need to remind you that this story is entitled 'Change to driving lessons on its way'. You were not commenting about a race issue, you turned it into a race issue. Your comment says nothing about the story and everything about you. I only chip in on the odd day I look in. Every single time I do you are talking nonsense about race and immigration.[/quote] Give over. You are lurking awaiting your chance to jump on anyone who mentions your hobby horse - race & immigration.
The thread had drifted onto bad driving and I metioned Asians are the worst drivers. If others concur and they choose to pick up the ball and run with it, well I'm afraid that's just the nature of the beast.
You have a problem. You don't want others to discuss things which you don't want discussed. Well that's just tough because people will talk about what they will and as long as we live in a free society you might as well get used to it.
Marty wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Marty wrote: Sun Tzu wrote: Marty - While you are poncing about down in London, I'm actualy driving on Bolton roads and the Asians are the worst drivers.
That is not the point and you know it. Why are you so insecure? Not everything is about race. Why is it always your default reaction to everthing?
Why are you such a tool? I comment on plenty subjects beside immigration and race issues but if it's relevant then I'll say it. If you don't like it don't come here and besides the only time you seem to have anything to say is on race and immigration.
I shouldn't need to remind you that this story is entitled 'Change to driving lessons on its way'. You were not commenting about a race issue, you turned it into a race issue. Your comment says nothing about the story and everything about you. I only chip in on the odd day I look in. Every single time I do you are talking nonsense about race and immigration.
Give over. You are lurking awaiting your chance to jump on anyone who mentions your hobby horse - race & immigration.
The thread had drifted onto bad driving and I metioned Asians are the worst drivers. If others concur and they choose to pick up the ball and run with it, well I'm afraid that's just the nature of the beast.
You have a problem. You don't want others to discuss things which you don't want discussed. Well that's just tough because people will talk about what they will and as long as we live in a free society you might as well get used to it.
Posted by: Marty, London on 11:26pm Wed 7 May 08
Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.
Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 11:39pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote:
Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.[/quote] I'm not looking to fool anyone, least of all you. After all where's the challenge in fooling a fool?
Marty wrote:
Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.
I'm not looking to fool anyone, least of all you. After all where's the challenge in fooling a fool?
Posted by: Marty, London on 11:46pm Wed 7 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote: Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.[/quote] I'm not looking to fool anyone, least of all you. After all where's the challenge in fooling a fool?[/quote] You really do have nothing to say do you. That was just a childish rant. You have said nothing that justifies the way you turned this thread on to race and immigration - I guess because there is no justification for it.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Marty wrote: Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.
I'm not looking to fool anyone, least of all you. After all where's the challenge in fooling a fool?
You really do have nothing to say do you. That was just a childish rant. You have said nothing that justifies the way you turned this thread on to race and immigration - I guess because there is no justification for it.
Posted by: Bolton Chronicle, Bolton on 11:57pm Wed 7 May 08
Firstly the m ost up to date stats via Esure sow that most accidents involve women drivers. SZecond mosgt astounding facy via esure is that many drivers involved in accidents are also asian between the ages of 17 and 40!!!!!!!
Now tell me I am either racist, ageist or even sexist with ïndependent"states like that!!!!
The old addage of white men between ages 17 and 30 is long gone - the groups to watch out for are women and asians between 17 and 40.
Where are Sheila's Wheeels with these stats (oh and bte Sheila's Wheels are actually part of Esure/Halifax-Bank of Scotland Group!!!!!)
Firstly the m ost up to date stats via Esure sow that most accidents involve women drivers. SZecond mosgt astounding facy via esure is that many drivers involved in accidents are also asian between the ages of 17 and 40!!!!!!!
Now tell me I am either racist, ageist or even sexist with ïndependent"states like that!!!!
The old addage of white men between ages 17 and 30 is long gone - the groups to watch out for are women and asians between 17 and 40.
Where are Sheila's Wheeels with these stats (oh and bte Sheila's Wheels are actually part of Esure/Halifax-Bank of Scotland Group!!!!!)
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 12:20am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote: Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.[/quote] I'm not looking to fool anyone, least of all you. After all where's the challenge in fooling a fool?[/quote] You really do have nothing to say do you. That was just a childish rant. You have said nothing that justifies the way you turned this thread on to race and immigration - I guess because there is no justification for it.[/quote] Look Marty, I have had this argument dozens of times with your mate Andrew from Bury and I have no wish to go over it all again for your benefit.
In my opinion Asians are the worst drivers in Bolton and that is all I have to say on the subject at present. If you find it hard to accept that others have opinions that you don't agree with then that's your problem.
For what it's worth. In my opinion your crusade would win more followers if you tried to argue the case from a number of different angles, rather than rolling out the tired old "It's racist" line.
That's me done for the night.
Marty wrote:
Sun Tzu wrote:
Marty wrote: Yes Sun Tzu - 'The thread had drifted onto bad driving'. The first comment was about 'P' plates. The second appears to be from a nutter and the third was your first comment about Asian drivers. And yet race and immigration are my hobby horse, and I have a problem?? You may be able to fool some people, pal, but not me.
I'm not looking to fool anyone, least of all you. After all where's the challenge in fooling a fool?
You really do have nothing to say do you. That was just a childish rant. You have said nothing that justifies the way you turned this thread on to race and immigration - I guess because there is no justification for it.
Look Marty, I have had this argument dozens of times with your mate Andrew from Bury and I have no wish to go over it all again for your benefit.
In my opinion Asians are the worst drivers in Bolton and that is all I have to say on the subject at present. If you find it hard to accept that others have opinions that you don't agree with then that's your problem.
For what it's worth. In my opinion your crusade would win more followers if you tried to argue the case from a number of different angles, rather than rolling out the tired old "It's racist" line.
That's me done for the night.
Posted by: Marty, London on 12:24am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Bolton Chronicle[/bold] wrote:
Firstly the m ost up to date stats via Esure sow that most accidents involve women drivers. SZecond mosgt astounding facy via esure is that many drivers involved in accidents are also asian between the ages of 17 and 40!!!!!!! Now tell me I am either racist, ageist or even sexist with ïndependent"states like that!!!! The old addage of white men between ages 17 and 30 is long gone - the groups to watch out for are women and asians between 17 and 40. Where are Sheila's Wheeels with these stats (oh and bte Sheila's Wheels are actually part of Esure/Halifax-Bank of Scotland Group!!!!!)[/quote] I may have missed something but:
"More young men are being convicted of causing death or bodily harm on UK roads than ever before, the Government has revealed in the annual Motoring Offences and Breath Test statistics (2005) released by the Ministry of Justice, with men aged 17 to 20 being responsible for 107 of the 413 convictions.
According to an analysis of the statistics by esure, over 60 times more young men than young women were convicted of the UK's two most serious driving offences in 2005 ('causing death or bodily harm' and 'dangerous driving'). Male drivers aged 17-20 were responsible for 1,993 of the 6,177 total convictions representing nearly a third (32.2%) of such convictions despite only representing around 3% of the UK driving population. By contrast, the proportion for women of the same age was just 0.5%" http://www.esure.com
/news_item.jsp?nId=1
9088
Where are your stats from?
Bolton Chronicle wrote:
Firstly the m ost up to date stats via Esure sow that most accidents involve women drivers. SZecond mosgt astounding facy via esure is that many drivers involved in accidents are also asian between the ages of 17 and 40!!!!!!! Now tell me I am either racist, ageist or even sexist with ïndependent"states like that!!!! The old addage of white men between ages 17 and 30 is long gone - the groups to watch out for are women and asians between 17 and 40. Where are Sheila's Wheeels with these stats (oh and bte Sheila's Wheels are actually part of Esure/Halifax-Bank of Scotland Group!!!!!)
I may have missed something but:
"More young men are being convicted of causing death or bodily harm on UK roads than ever before, the Government has revealed in the annual Motoring Offences and Breath Test statistics (2005) released by the Ministry of Justice, with men aged 17 to 20 being responsible for 107 of the 413 convictions.
According to an analysis of the statistics by esure, over 60 times more young men than young women were convicted of the UK's two most serious driving offences in 2005 ('causing death or bodily harm' and 'dangerous driving'). Male drivers aged 17-20 were responsible for 1,993 of the 6,177 total convictions representing nearly a third (32.2%) of such convictions despite only representing around 3% of the UK driving population. By contrast, the proportion for women of the same age was just 0.5%" http://www.esure.com
/news_item.jsp?nId=1
9088
Where are your stats from?
Posted by: Marty, London on 12:31am Thu 8 May 08
Look, Sun Tzu, you are deliberately missing the point - yet again. You brought up race not me. This is your tactic time and again. You turn things round to race then accuse the people who pick you up on this of "rolling out the tired old "It's racist" line". Its not good enough Sun Tzu. You can fool some of the the people etc...
Look, Sun Tzu, you are deliberately missing the point - yet again. You brought up race not me. This is your tactic time and again. You turn things round to race then accuse the people who pick you up on this of "rolling out the tired old "It's racist" line". Its not good enough Sun Tzu. You can fool some of the the people etc...
Posted by: don060541, devon on 7:49am Thu 8 May 08
Marty the PC,
Would comenting on this be classed as racist,
Ly Tran, aged 27, Tu Nguyen, aged 35, Anh Nguyen, aged 20, and Tai Lam, aged 33, all of Weaver Chase, Stoneclough, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to produce cannabis along with Huong Nguyen, aged 22, of no fixed address, at Bolton Crown Court yesterday.
Son Nguyen, aged 38, of no fixed address, had admitted his role at a hearing in February
If so we have no free speech
Marty the PC,
Would comenting on this be classed as racist,
Ly Tran, aged 27, Tu Nguyen, aged 35, Anh Nguyen, aged 20, and Tai Lam, aged 33, all of Weaver Chase, Stoneclough, pleaded guilty to conspiracy to produce cannabis along with Huong Nguyen, aged 22, of no fixed address, at Bolton Crown Court yesterday.
Son Nguyen, aged 38, of no fixed address, had admitted his role at a hearing in February
If so we have no free speech
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 8:47am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Marty[/bold] wrote:
Look, Sun Tzu, you are deliberately missing the point - yet again. You brought up race not me. This is your tactic time and again. You turn things round to race then accuse the people who pick you up on this of "rolling out the tired old "It's racist" line". Its not good enough Sun Tzu. You can fool some of the the people etc... [/quote] My observation that Asians are the worst drivers in Bolton is not racist.
If the subjects of race and immigration are raised in every topic, then that's because they are big issues and should be debated.
Why don't you try to put forward your arguments instead of saying "It's racist and we shouldn't speak of it" or maybe I'm right and you just don't have any valid arguments.
Grow up and stop hiding behind "It's racist"
Marty wrote:
Look, Sun Tzu, you are deliberately missing the point - yet again. You brought up race not me. This is your tactic time and again. You turn things round to race then accuse the people who pick you up on this of "rolling out the tired old "It's racist" line". Its not good enough Sun Tzu. You can fool some of the the people etc...
My observation that Asians are the worst drivers in Bolton is not racist.
If the subjects of race and immigration are raised in every topic, then that's because they are big issues and should be debated.
Why don't you try to put forward your arguments instead of saying "It's racist and we shouldn't speak of it" or maybe I'm right and you just don't have any valid arguments.
Grow up and stop hiding behind "It's racist"
Posted by: Tubby Scruff on 9:04am Thu 8 May 08
Just to chip in. My sister had her car scraped down one side by an Asian woman, fortunately caught on Supermarket camera. It showed also the 2 women in the car laughing as they drove away, then when confronted with the "evidence" denied it to the Police, who said they couldn't prove who was driving as they were wearing.......burkah
s.
However, they were prosecuted for having no insurance as the vehicle was parked on a public road. (and yes, there were 90% provable paint marks on their car which matched the colour of my sisters car.)
Kellys statement is simply another rouse to extract more money from us. When did you last see a Traffic Cop on active patrol ?
Just to chip in. My sister had her car scraped down one side by an Asian woman, fortunately caught on Supermarket camera. It showed also the 2 women in the car laughing as they drove away, then when confronted with the "evidence" denied it to the Police, who said they couldn't prove who was driving as they were wearing.......burkah
s.
However, they were prosecuted for having no insurance as the vehicle was parked on a public road. (and yes, there were 90% provable paint marks on their car which matched the colour of my sisters car.)
Kellys statement is simply another rouse to extract more money from us. When did you last see a Traffic Cop on active patrol ?
Posted by: don060541, devon on 9:15am Thu 8 May 08
What i cant get my head round,
If whites confront asians its classed as racial yet if its the other way round its not,
Can anyone explain this please
What i cant get my head round,
If whites confront asians its classed as racial yet if its the other way round its not,
Can anyone explain this please
Posted by: BoltonGirly, halliwell on 9:44am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]don060541[/bold] wrote:
What i cant get my head round, If whites confront asians its classed as racial yet if its the other way round its not, Can anyone explain this please[/quote] Its coz this county has forgot about there own don i spose and no im not a racist b4 any decides to say
don060541 wrote:
What i cant get my head round, If whites confront asians its classed as racial yet if its the other way round its not, Can anyone explain this please
Its coz this county has forgot about there own don i spose and no im not a racist b4 any decides to say
Posted by: inigo, smithfield on 10:50am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.[/quote] from my own observations young Asian males are the worst, followed by young white males, old people and all women. I suspect you only mentioned that to be mischievous though.
Sun Tzu wrote:
The worst drivers on the roads of Bolton are Asians.
from my own observations young Asian males are the worst, followed by young white males, old people and all women. I suspect you only mentioned that to be mischievous though.
Posted by: inigo, smithfield on 10:52am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Tubby Scruff[/bold] wrote:
Just to chip in. My sister had her car scraped down one side by an Asian woman, fortunately caught on Supermarket camera. It showed also the 2 women in the car laughing as they drove away, then when confronted with the "evidence" denied it to the Police, who said they couldn't prove who was driving as they were wearing.......burkah s. However, they were prosecuted for having no insurance as the vehicle was parked on a public road. (and yes, there were 90% provable paint marks on their car which matched the colour of my sisters car.) Kellys statement is simply another rouse to extract more money from us. When did you last see a Traffic Cop on active patrol ? [/quote] why do i suspect this is a fairy tale???
Tubby Scruff wrote:
Just to chip in. My sister had her car scraped down one side by an Asian woman, fortunately caught on Supermarket camera. It showed also the 2 women in the car laughing as they drove away, then when confronted with the "evidence" denied it to the Police, who said they couldn't prove who was driving as they were wearing.......burkah s. However, they were prosecuted for having no insurance as the vehicle was parked on a public road. (and yes, there were 90% provable paint marks on their car which matched the colour of my sisters car.) Kellys statement is simply another rouse to extract more money from us. When did you last see a Traffic Cop on active patrol ?
why do i suspect this is a fairy tale???
Posted by: Sun Tzu on 11:03am Thu 8 May 08
Inigo - I agree with your list of most dangerous but I don't see why you are throwing doubt on Tubbys tale of woe.
Inigo - I agree with your list of most dangerous but I don't see why you are throwing doubt on Tubbys tale of woe.
Posted by: inigo, smithfield on 11:22am Thu 8 May 08
[quote][bold]Sun Tzu[/bold] wrote:
Inigo - I agree with your list of most dangerous but I don't see why you are throwing doubt on Tubbys tale of woe.[/quote] It may be true! but you have to admit it sounds like something from the pen of Richard Littlejohn.
Sun Tzu wrote:
Inigo - I agree with your list of most dangerous but I don't see why you are throwing doubt on Tubbys tale of woe.
It may be true! but you have to admit it sounds like something from the pen of Richard Littlejohn.
Posted by: Libby H, Horwich on 12:02pm Thu 8 May 08
I'm appauled at the way some readers try to put a racist spin on so many articles in the BN no wonder when an article about an ethnic minority is published there is no option to comment.
Whether we like it or not we live in a multi-cutural society and as such we have to deal with the various issues and problems that arise from that. I do understand and agree that there are certain elements of our society that leave a lot to be desired in their behaviour but tarring everyone of a particular culture with the same brush is silly and narrow minded.
This article is about driving tests and not a racial debate please let's not try and turn it into one.
Also for what it's worth I think the only reason that tougher tests are being considered is because they want to try and reduce the number of people on the roads, with all the traffic congestion tougher tests will probably mean a higher failure rate and less new drivers on the road.
I'm appauled at the way some readers try to put a racist spin on so many articles in the BN no wonder when an article about an ethnic minority is published there is no option to comment.
Whether we like it or not we live in a multi-cutural society and as such we have to deal with the various issues and problems that arise from that. I do understand and agree that there are certain elements of our society that leave a lot to be desired in their behaviour but tarring everyone of a particular culture with the same brush is silly and narrow minded.
This article is about driving tests and not a racial debate please let's not try and turn it into one.
Also for what it's worth I think the only reason that tougher tests are being considered is because they want to try and reduce the number of people on the roads, with all the traffic congestion tougher tests will probably mean a higher failure rate and less new drivers on the road.
Posted by: Tubby Scruff on 3:41pm Thu 8 May 08
[quote]from the pen of Richard Littlejohn[/quote]
Why ?
My pen name is [italic]Aloysius Ponsonby Smyth[/italic] , resident of [italic]Ponsonby Hall[/italic] [bold]in the hamlet of Much Humping.[/bold]
from the pen of Richard Littlejohn
Why ?
My pen name is
Aloysius Ponsonby Smyth , resident of
Ponsonby Hall in the hamlet of Much Humping.
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