Heaven-sent gift for church (From Bury Times)

This money would be better spent on the social fund. Churches don't pay tax, and they have no evidence their deity is even real. Real people in Bury are suffering and need this money.

here here, the bain of modern life!!

new_lizard wrote:
This money would be better spent on the social fund. Churches don't pay tax, and they have no evidence their deity is even real. Real people in Bury are suffering and need this money.

Well, Mr or Mss Lizard, you are out of touch of the real world.
Billions of people across the world believe in a good and just God. Thousands of Christians live and work in Bury.
The renovations are needed at St. Thomas', Rochdale Road. The chursh stands for justice and truth, and the fabric is very special to the town of Bury.

R'Marcus wrote:

new_lizard wrote:
This money would be better spent on the social fund. Churches don't pay tax, and they have no evidence their deity is even real. Real people in Bury are suffering and need this money.

Well, Mr or Mss Lizard, you are out of touch of the real world.
Billions of people across the world believe in a good and just God. Thousands of Christians live and work in Bury.
The renovations are needed at St. Thomas', Rochdale Road. The chursh stands for justice and truth, and the fabric is very special to the town of Bury.

I'm with you on this one RM. Churches whether they are well attended or not need to be retained at all costs.

Well, well, that has ruffled a couple of feathers hasn't it?!!!! The Lizard and buckfeed make me laugh!

How much do either of these people give to charity? How much good do these people do?

Many churches actually give a lot to the local community, in many different ways. They do this not wanting money or reward - they do it to help people - whatever creed or religion - for the love of God.

St. Thomas' is a grade 2 listed building which has a long history in Bury. It has a small congregation who do an immense amount of work for the Parish. It has raised a lot of money itself - many thousands, not for itself, but so it can survive in the community, and for future generations.

There will always be poverty - some self-inflicted, some not. The church does all it can to help these people but supporting charities, and helping them.

Maybe the two writers should take their rose-tinted glasses off and support such organisations? Maybe they should go to St. Thomas' and look at the marvelous work they do?

I doubt they would, however, as like the big majority Britons, they only live in the material world where violence, drugs, alcohol, TV & the internet rule.

After all, why believe in a God which (in their eyes) does not exist, and is a total load of twaddle. Until they want it - and then they expect the church to be there - which it is, and will be...

And, obviously, this goes for mosques and synagogues also.

carlchrystan wrote:
And, obviously, this goes for mosques and synagogues also.

I don't really know why you brought synagogues into it, other than to try and stir things up, but yes mosques as well so long as they are being used for the good of and service to the community.

mbbsspmg wrote:
Well, well, that has ruffled a couple of feathers hasn't it?!!!! The Lizard and buckfeed make me laugh!

How much do either of these people give to charity? How much good do these people do?

Many churches actually give a lot to the local community, in many different ways. They do this not wanting money or reward - they do it to help people - whatever creed or religion - for the love of God.

St. Thomas' is a grade 2 listed building which has a long history in Bury. It has a small congregation who do an immense amount of work for the Parish. It has raised a lot of money itself - many thousands, not for itself, but so it can survive in the community, and for future generations.

There will always be poverty - some self-inflicted, some not. The church does all it can to help these people but supporting charities, and helping them.

Maybe the two writers should take their rose-tinted glasses off and support such organisations? Maybe they should go to St. Thomas' and look at the marvelous work they do?

I doubt they would, however, as like the big majority Britons, they only live in the material world where violence, drugs, alcohol, TV & the internet rule.

After all, why believe in a God which (in their eyes) does not exist, and is a total load of twaddle. Until they want it - and then they expect the church to be there - which it is, and will be...

i give a lot to charity thankyou and have also done volentetry work in the past in my local community. i'm all for raising money and giving to a just cause. "they do this not wanting money or reward" - how on earth do they make money then? The Catholic Church for instance is a bank before it's a Church. It has successfully managed to lie and rape every "catholic country" for centuries - ireland, italy, south american countires, the list goes on. All those countires, skint because of their devotion and lack of "non religious education" I trust my upbringing, my family and most of all my conscience to tell me what's right and wrong, not some weirdo in a robe. Believe me, i will never need or call on god because he doesn't exist!! I used to find it funny that people still believed in god, now it actually disturbs me. Read a science book, you might learn something. I have a Brian Cox boxset at home you can borrow ha :)

I would like to say the 10 commandments are a fantastic guide to how to live your life in the nicest and best way possible, i do not disagree with them at all. If we all lived our lives like that, the world would be a better place. But that has nothing to do with god, just having a brain and being nice will give you that perspective on how to live your life.

mbbsspmg wrote:
Well, well, that has ruffled a couple of feathers hasn't it?!!!! The Lizard and buckfeed make me laugh!

How much do either of these people give to charity? How much good do these people do?

Many churches actually give a lot to the local community, in many different ways. They do this not wanting money or reward - they do it to help people - whatever creed or religion - for the love of God.

St. Thomas' is a grade 2 listed building which has a long history in Bury. It has a small congregation who do an immense amount of work for the Parish. It has raised a lot of money itself - many thousands, not for itself, but so it can survive in the community, and for future generations.

There will always be poverty - some self-inflicted, some not. The church does all it can to help these people but supporting charities, and helping them.

Maybe the two writers should take their rose-tinted glasses off and support such organisations? Maybe they should go to St. Thomas' and look at the marvelous work they do?

I doubt they would, however, as like the big majority Britons, they only live in the material world where violence, drugs, alcohol, TV & the internet rule.

After all, why believe in a God which (in their eyes) does not exist, and is a total load of twaddle. Until they want it - and then they expect the church to be there - which it is, and will be...

i've just u've accused me and Lizard of being:
"like the big majority Britons, they only live in the material world where violence, drugs, alcohol, TV & the internet rule"
I thought religion brought acceptance and understanding to an individual along with being non judgemental- that obviously doesn't apply to you does it. After reading your post properly, i really don't think you're a nice person at all and i do not beleive the religious community will agree with your post in the slightest.

buckfeed17 wrote:

mbbsspmg wrote:
Well, well, that has ruffled a couple of feathers hasn't it?!!!! The Lizard and buckfeed make me laugh!

How much do either of these people give to charity? How much good do these people do?

Many churches actually give a lot to the local community, in many different ways. They do this not wanting money or reward - they do it to help people - whatever creed or religion - for the love of God.

St. Thomas' is a grade 2 listed building which has a long history in Bury. It has a small congregation who do an immense amount of work for the Parish. It has raised a lot of money itself - many thousands, not for itself, but so it can survive in the community, and for future generations.

There will always be poverty - some self-inflicted, some not. The church does all it can to help these people but supporting charities, and helping them.

Maybe the two writers should take their rose-tinted glasses off and support such organisations? Maybe they should go to St. Thomas' and look at the marvelous work they do?

I doubt they would, however, as like the big majority Britons, they only live in the material world where violence, drugs, alcohol, TV & the internet rule.

After all, why believe in a God which (in their eyes) does not exist, and is a total load of twaddle. Until they want it - and then they expect the church to be there - which it is, and will be...

i give a lot to charity thankyou and have also done volentetry work in the past in my local community. i'm all for raising money and giving to a just cause. "they do this not wanting money or reward" - how on earth do they make money then? The Catholic Church for instance is a bank before it's a Church. It has successfully managed to lie and rape every "catholic country" for centuries - ireland, italy, south american countires, the list goes on. All those countires, skint because of their devotion and lack of "non religious education" I trust my upbringing, my family and most of all my conscience to tell me what's right and wrong, not some weirdo in a robe. Believe me, i will never need or call on god because he doesn't exist!! I used to find it funny that people still believed in god, now it actually disturbs me. Read a science book, you might learn something. I have a Brian Cox boxset at home you can borrow ha :)

You say "how on earth so they make money then"? For most churches they don't. They rely on coffee mornings, quiz nights, bring and buy etc. to raise a little money to keep the church going. Some are fortunate enough to be left either money or property when a church member dies. Unfortunately church congregations are dwindling and alot of these institutions will not exist in 20 years.
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The Catholic church is different. I'm not Catholic but my children go to a Catholic school for various reasons.
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The Catholic church are indeed very wealthy and yes in the past I think the way they collected money from people who couldn't afford it was disgraceful. They are also in some cases guilty of and covering up dreadful things however from what I see the Catholics are going strong with good church attendances and are the only religion strong enough to stand against some other religions who are threatening our way of life in the name of their God.
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In addition, you might not believe in God but I know a couple of people who unfortunately have lost spouses, at very early ages, to long illnesses, who's religious beliefs helped them greatly despite scientific evidence.

Babbar Divino wrote:

carlchrystan wrote:
And, obviously, this goes for mosques and synagogues also.

I don't really know why you brought synagogues into it, other than to try and stir things up, but yes mosques as well so long as they are being used for the good of and service to the community.

Why does mentioning synagogues stir things up?

It would appear that religion does stir things up a bit. I am judgmental. I do have opinions. I am not perfect and I do hate things and people. Who does not? "Christians" are not perfect, no one is - even the Pope will have his faults. BUT I would rather help someone with whatever problem than to turn them away.

The (A) church offers a lot of hope for a lot of people in whatever county, whatever religion and for whatever reason.

It has been proven many many times over that in times of distress and upset, people do turn to the church for help and comfort, and they will always will do - if they are open and available.

We all believe in different things: some religion, some football etc.... Whatever your faith is (or not), do not think that the "thing" you disagree with should be removed from society.

What a boring world that would be.

BTW, buckfeed, if you can determine what my personality is from a few lines of an argument, you are so clever that I am beyond impressed.

Shame you do not know what I do in the real world and in a church....

(My impression of you is that you hate anything religious, do not celebrate CHRISTmas (but the Winter Solstice), and does not celebrate Easter. I doubt it.

Take care buckfeed - I will say a prayer for you on Sunday - in a church with a healthy congregation :-)

carlchrystan wrote:

Babbar Divino wrote:

carlchrystan wrote:
And, obviously, this goes for mosques and synagogues also.

I don't really know why you brought synagogues into it, other than to try and stir things up, but yes mosques as well so long as they are being used for the good of and service to the community.

Why does mentioning synagogues stir things up?

Don't play dumb with me. Why didn't you mention other names of places of worship as well or alternatively add etc. on the end?

Babbar Divino wrote:

carlchrystan wrote:

Babbar Divino wrote:

carlchrystan wrote:
And, obviously, this goes for mosques and synagogues also.

I don't really know why you brought synagogues into it, other than to try and stir things up, but yes mosques as well so long as they are being used for the good of and service to the community.

Why does mentioning synagogues stir things up?

Don't play dumb with me. Why didn't you mention other names of places of worship as well or alternatively add etc. on the end?

Well, I would have like to have mentioned mandirams, atashkadehs and stupas, but I was probably too drunk at the time to spell them!

You seem quite aggressive. Is this a big thing to you?