Three-weekly bin collection plan 'was railroaded through', claims councillor

Cllr Iain Gartside

Cllr Iain Gartside

First published in News Bury Times: Photograph of the Author by , reporter

CONTROVERSIAL plans for Bury householders to become the first in England to have their grey bins emptied once every three weeks have been “railroaded through”, it has been claimed.

The comments — from Bury’s Conservative group leader Cllr Iain Gartside — came after Bury Council’s overview and scrutiny committee decided not to refer the proposals back to the cabinet or the next full council meeting.

From October, under ambitious plans to create a “zero waste” borough, grey bins will be collected every three weeks instead of fortnightly.

Green and blue recycling bins will be emptied once every three weeks instead of four, while brown bins will continue to be collected once every two weeks.

The council says the changes will boost recycling rates and achieve annual savings of £862,000 in waste treatment and disposal costs.

Cllr Gartside, who is also chairman of the scrutiny committee, said: “This is such a serious matter that it should have been debated in full council. It’s been railroaded through.

“This particular decision needed urgent scrutiny. It has resulted in a public outcry and a petition of more than 3,000 names and created a lot of interest in the media.”

At the town hall meeting, last week, attended by more than 20 members of the public, the committee voted not to offer any comments, rubber stamping the decision made by the council’s cabinet a week earlier.

Cabinet member for the environment Cllr Tony Isherwood was quizzed for nearly an hour over the proposals.

Some members of the public told the committee they feared the change could lead to an increase in rats.

Cllr Isherwood said: “These collections only affect residual waste. We don’t anticipate any rise in vermin.”

He said arrangements would be made for large families to get a second bin if required. He added: “It is important we make these changes. This offers the opportunity to residents to recycle more.”

One member of the public asked if the changes were being introduced on the basis of recycling or cost. Cllr Isherwood replied: “It’s about both. But this proposal is the only one that is going to have a very good outcome.”

He said there was “no legal need” to consult the public and said there was no consultation in 2011 when a previous administration ann-ounced plans to change weekly grey bin collections to fort- nightly.

Cllr Gartside said Falkirk Council had implemented a similar change to the collection of non-recycable waste, but on a phased basis.

He said: “Why are we not taking the same approach?”

Cllr Isherwood said: “We have a good track record. We did it in one day in 2011. We are confident these prop- osals will work if the people of this borough support us. We have looked at many options and felt this was the best one.”

After the meeting, Cllr Gartside said: “I’m still not convinced by the answers, particularly in terms of the risks.”

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3:24pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Yellow Hackle says...

Councillor Gartside is quite correct in what he says, Bury Metro have railroaded this through. The people of Bury will not attend meetings because they know that bury metro will go ahead with whatever policy's
they wish no matter what the people want.
Councillor Gartside is quite correct in what he says, Bury Metro have railroaded this through. The people of Bury will not attend meetings because they know that bury metro will go ahead with whatever policy's they wish no matter what the people want. Yellow Hackle
  • Score: 7

3:29pm Thu 7 Aug 14

Yellow Hackle says...

Heres what other Mps have said from other Boroughs,

PLANS by a borough to collect household rubbish bins once every three weeks have been condemned by MPs.

Bury Times:
Brandon Lewis
Bury Council’s proposal to change the cycle, affecting Ramsbottom and Summerseat, has been criticised by local government minister Brandon Lewis.

The Labour authority has come under fire from East Lancashire MPs Graham Jones, Gordon Birtwistle, Andrew Stephenson, Nigel Evans and Jake Berry.

They said they did not want the system in their constituencies.

On Wednesday, Bury’s cabinet will consider the proposal to become the first authority in England to move to three weekly collection of general household rubbish bins in October.

Labour councillors believe the switch from fortnightly collections will increase recycling rates and save money.

Neighbouring Rossendale, Burnley, Pendle, Chorley, and Hyndburn councils operate a fortnightly cycle alternating general rubbish and recyclable bin collections.

Blackburn with Darwen and Ribble Valley collect general waste weekly and reyclables fortnightly.

Mr Lewis said: “It will harm the environment by fuelling fly-tipping, and rips off taxpayers by cutting the services they pay for in council tax. This strengthens the case for changing the law to protect local services."

Ramsbottom Tory councillor Ian Bevan said: “I personally feel that every three weeks for a grey general waste bin collection is one step too far.”

Rossendale and Darwen Tory MP Mr Berry said: “I think people want weekly bin collections as they get in Blackburn with Darwen. I hope this idea does not come into East Lancashire.”

Hyndburn Labour MP Graham Jones said: “I don’t think three weekly general waste collections are viable or acceptable.”

Burnley Liberal Democrat Mr Birtwistle said: “fortnightly collections work perfectly. Lets hope this idea stays in Greater Manchester.”

Pendle Tory Mr Stephenson said: “It will encourage rats and flytipping. We don’t want it in our area.”

Ribble Valley MP Mr Evans: “My constituents would be up in arms if our council tried to impose this.”

Bury environment boss Tony Isherwood said: “Most households will continue to have a collection of at least one type of waste every week.”
Heres what other Mps have said from other Boroughs, PLANS by a borough to collect household rubbish bins once every three weeks have been condemned by MPs. Bury Times: Brandon Lewis Bury Council’s proposal to change the cycle, affecting Ramsbottom and Summerseat, has been criticised by local government minister Brandon Lewis. The Labour authority has come under fire from East Lancashire MPs Graham Jones, Gordon Birtwistle, Andrew Stephenson, Nigel Evans and Jake Berry. They said they did not want the system in their constituencies. On Wednesday, Bury’s cabinet will consider the proposal to become the first authority in England to move to three weekly collection of general household rubbish bins in October. Labour councillors believe the switch from fortnightly collections will increase recycling rates and save money. Neighbouring Rossendale, Burnley, Pendle, Chorley, and Hyndburn councils operate a fortnightly cycle alternating general rubbish and recyclable bin collections. Blackburn with Darwen and Ribble Valley collect general waste weekly and reyclables fortnightly. Mr Lewis said: “It will harm the environment by fuelling fly-tipping, and rips off taxpayers by cutting the services they pay for in council tax. This strengthens the case for changing the law to protect local services." Ramsbottom Tory councillor Ian Bevan said: “I personally feel that every three weeks for a grey general waste bin collection is one step too far.” Rossendale and Darwen Tory MP Mr Berry said: “I think people want weekly bin collections as they get in Blackburn with Darwen. I hope this idea does not come into East Lancashire.” Hyndburn Labour MP Graham Jones said: “I don’t think three weekly general waste collections are viable or acceptable.” Burnley Liberal Democrat Mr Birtwistle said: “fortnightly collections work perfectly. Lets hope this idea stays in Greater Manchester.” Pendle Tory Mr Stephenson said: “It will encourage rats and flytipping. We don’t want it in our area.” Ribble Valley MP Mr Evans: “My constituents would be up in arms if our council tried to impose this.” Bury environment boss Tony Isherwood said: “Most households will continue to have a collection of at least one type of waste every week.” Yellow Hackle
  • Score: 5

4:08pm Thu 7 Aug 14

dominoman says...

Perhaps if Coun Gartside's political masters at Westminster would give us more money our council wouldn't have to take decisions like this.

I don't like the three week collection either.
Perhaps if Coun Gartside's political masters at Westminster would give us more money our council wouldn't have to take decisions like this. I don't like the three week collection either. dominoman
  • Score: -1

7:25pm Thu 7 Aug 14

ABreakFromTheNorm says...

I think you would find that even if central government were to give Bury Council the near £1m they think they will save this proposal would still go ahead. It's difficult to see any positives from this. Recycling may well increase but so too will vermine and fly-tipping.
I think you would find that even if central government were to give Bury Council the near £1m they think they will save this proposal would still go ahead. It's difficult to see any positives from this. Recycling may well increase but so too will vermine and fly-tipping. ABreakFromTheNorm
  • Score: 7

1:04pm Fri 8 Aug 14

Concerned Nana says...

You cannot force people to recycle. The people that do will continueto do so, the people that dont will not be bullied into doing so and will fly tip instead. Surely cleaning up the fly tipping is going to cost the council considerably more. So were is the saving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You cannot force people to recycle. The people that do will continueto do so, the people that dont will not be bullied into doing so and will fly tip instead. Surely cleaning up the fly tipping is going to cost the council considerably more. So were is the saving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Concerned Nana
  • Score: 5

1:36pm Mon 11 Aug 14

forward thinker says...

Concerned Nana wrote:
You cannot force people to recycle. The people that do will continueto do so, the people that dont will not be bullied into doing so and will fly tip instead. Surely cleaning up the fly tipping is going to cost the council considerably more. So were is the saving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So rather than use a bin in their own garden, you think people will drive somewhere and dump stuff risking being caught breaking the law? I think you might be scaremongering just a tad there.
[quote][p][bold]Concerned Nana[/bold] wrote: You cannot force people to recycle. The people that do will continueto do so, the people that dont will not be bullied into doing so and will fly tip instead. Surely cleaning up the fly tipping is going to cost the council considerably more. So were is the saving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]So rather than use a bin in their own garden, you think people will drive somewhere and dump stuff risking being caught breaking the law? I think you might be scaremongering just a tad there. forward thinker
  • Score: 0

4:29pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Yellow Hackle says...

forward thinker wrote:
Concerned Nana wrote:
You cannot force people to recycle. The people that do will continueto do so, the people that dont will not be bullied into doing so and will fly tip instead. Surely cleaning up the fly tipping is going to cost the council considerably more. So were is the saving!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So rather than use a bin in their own garden, you think people will drive somewhere and dump stuff risking being caught breaking the law? I think you might be scaremongering just a tad there.
Forward thinker,
I have know people of Bury ( one in particular ) who has driven further to Flytip his rubbish than it was to drive to the towns rubbish skips.
He still dumps rubbish outside his back gate and, I have reported this on a number of occasions to the the town hall and nothing is done about it, the last lot of rubbish is still there even after 3 weeks.
[quote][p][bold]forward thinker[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Concerned Nana[/bold] wrote: You cannot force people to recycle. The people that do will continueto do so, the people that dont will not be bullied into doing so and will fly tip instead. Surely cleaning up the fly tipping is going to cost the council considerably more. So were is the saving!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!![/p][/quote]So rather than use a bin in their own garden, you think people will drive somewhere and dump stuff risking being caught breaking the law? I think you might be scaremongering just a tad there.[/p][/quote]Forward thinker, I have know people of Bury ( one in particular ) who has driven further to Flytip his rubbish than it was to drive to the towns rubbish skips. He still dumps rubbish outside his back gate and, I have reported this on a number of occasions to the the town hall and nothing is done about it, the last lot of rubbish is still there even after 3 weeks. Yellow Hackle
  • Score: 2

4:31pm Mon 11 Aug 14

Yellow Hackle says...

Sorry it should have been Concerned thinker! I do apologise
Sorry it should have been Concerned thinker! I do apologise Yellow Hackle
  • Score: -1

10:34pm Tue 12 Aug 14

AndyBury says...

We have in Bury , the most incompetent and useless money grabbing council in the country
Westminster should impose "special measures" on this lot like they do with poorly performing schools
I thought we had been given the right to call these people to account , and get rid of bad councillors
How do we start ?
We have in Bury , the most incompetent and useless money grabbing council in the country Westminster should impose "special measures" on this lot like they do with poorly performing schools I thought we had been given the right to call these people to account , and get rid of bad councillors How do we start ? AndyBury
  • Score: 0

4:16pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Rammyman says...

Hi Yellow Hackle, the story you refer to about what MP's say in other Borough's is not from the Bury Times, its from its sister paper the Lancashire Telegraph. They cover news across the whole of East Lancashire ( including Ramsbottom and Summerseat ) just to clarify this. The Telegraph is a **** good paper and has Rammy news in it most days.Here is the original link http://www.lancashir
etelegraph.co.uk/new
s/11335451.Bury_wast
e_plans___affecting_
Ramsbottom___are_rub
bished/
Hi Yellow Hackle, the story you refer to about what MP's say in other Borough's is not from the Bury Times, its from its sister paper the Lancashire Telegraph. They cover news across the whole of East Lancashire ( including Ramsbottom and Summerseat ) just to clarify this. The Telegraph is a **** good paper and has Rammy news in it most days.Here is the original link http://www.lancashir etelegraph.co.uk/new s/11335451.Bury_wast e_plans___affecting_ Ramsbottom___are_rub bished/ Rammyman
  • Score: 0

4:39pm Wed 13 Aug 14

Yellow Hackle says...

Rammyman wrote:
Hi Yellow Hackle, the story you refer to about what MP's say in other Borough's is not from the Bury Times, its from its sister paper the Lancashire Telegraph. They cover news across the whole of East Lancashire ( including Ramsbottom and Summerseat ) just to clarify this. The Telegraph is a **** good paper and has Rammy news in it most days.Here is the original link http://www.lancashir

etelegraph.co.uk/new

s/11335451.Bury_wast

e_plans___affecting_

Ramsbottom___are_rub

bished/
Rammyman,
Sorry but it was in the Bury times it might have been originally in the
Lancashire Telegraph but it was at the bottom left hand corner of the Bury times. I don't read the Lancashire Telegraph but thanks anyway
[quote][p][bold]Rammyman[/bold] wrote: Hi Yellow Hackle, the story you refer to about what MP's say in other Borough's is not from the Bury Times, its from its sister paper the Lancashire Telegraph. They cover news across the whole of East Lancashire ( including Ramsbottom and Summerseat ) just to clarify this. The Telegraph is a **** good paper and has Rammy news in it most days.Here is the original link http://www.lancashir etelegraph.co.uk/new s/11335451.Bury_wast e_plans___affecting_ Ramsbottom___are_rub bished/[/p][/quote]Rammyman, Sorry but it was in the Bury times it might have been originally in the Lancashire Telegraph but it was at the bottom left hand corner of the Bury times. I don't read the Lancashire Telegraph but thanks anyway Yellow Hackle
  • Score: 0

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