Councillor’s narrow escape in computer hacking scam

First published in News

POLICE are urging residents to be on their guard after a ‘computer hostage’ scam left victims in Whitefield and Unsworth hundreds of pounds out of pocket.

Cllr Joan Grimshaw was ordered to hand over more than £2,000 by scam artists who threatened to isolate her home computer if she did not stump up the cash.

The Unsworth representative managed to avoid paying the fraudsters, although she did lose treasured family photographs kept on her computer.

However, four other people have been forced to pay about £200 each, and police believe others might have fallen victim.

PC Richard Garland, of Whitefield police, said: “This scam is nothing new, but those behind it are targeting our area for the first time — and in a big way. We believe they are identifying targets using the phone book and all the victims we know of live in Whitefield and Unsworth.”

A phone call will be made from a London number, re-routed from abroad. Someone claiming to be from Microsoft will ask the householder about a problem they are having with their home computer, and ask them to go to a certain website and click on a link.

Clicking the link allows the scammers to seize control of the computer and the user can only regain control if they pay a £200 fee.

Since February 25, Whitefield police have received five reports of this type of offence.

The first was in Links View Court in Whitefield where a 70-year-old woman paid £190 so she could access her computer system once again. The second was in Sunnybank Road, Sunnybank, when a man paid out £120.

Another victim in Ringley Close, Whitefield, paid nearly £200 while a resident of Nuttall Avenue, Whitefield, forked out £300.

Cllr Grimshaw, aged 70, of Heathfield Road, Unsworth, said: “I can understand why people might not want to come forward to the police, because I felt quite silly after it happened to me. I also felt as if someone had intruded into my home. It was a horrible experience and I wouldn’t wish it on anyone.”

Cllr Grimshaw, who is set to become Mayor of Bury in May, said it started when she got a phone call from a well-spoken woman on February 21.

She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while, so when the woman rang claiming to be from Microsoft I thought it was genuine. I put in a web address that she gave me and I saw all these red boxes reading ‘danger’. A display came up with all these faults and a box demanded £2,000.”

Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC.

“I did so and then the fraudsters called me five times in 10 minutes and were very angry.

“They had also tried to gain control of my laptop and, in the end, I lost precious pictures from my great granddaughter’s christening.”

A Microsoft spokesman said: “We do not send unsolicited email messages or make unsolicited phone calls to request personal or financial information or fix your computer.

“If you receive an unsolicited email message or phone call that purports to be from Microsoft and requests that you send personal information or click links, delete the message or hang up the phone.”

Police suspect the perpetrators come from India.

Officers are urging victims to report any suspicious phone calls to Action Fraud on 0300 123 2040 or visit actionfraud.org.uk

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3:45pm Fri 9 Mar 12

hellopotap says...

This Microsoft Scam call has been around for quite some time and i think it's about time people pay attention to the warnings. I've read several cases reported at Callercenter.com where the victim lost money because she did not think it was a scam and the scam artists was unbelievably convincing.
This Microsoft Scam call has been around for quite some time and i think it's about time people pay attention to the warnings. I've read several cases reported at Callercenter.com where the victim lost money because she did not think it was a scam and the scam artists was unbelievably convincing. hellopotap
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9:48pm Fri 9 Mar 12

Babbar Divino says...

Yes this scam has been around for quite a long time. I'd be more concerned about the fact that a councillor was tricked. You don't need to be Einstein to work this one out.

As for calling "IT Engineers" ha ha. I know someone who works in a council IT department and he says councillors there have been forbidden in contacting "IT Engineers" directly because they think they have access to their own personal IT Help centre.

I would of advised Cllr Grimshaw to run a bath and place the laptop in it. No doubt she would of done that.

It's a pity Syd James is dead we could of put together a new film "Carry on Councillor"
Yes this scam has been around for quite a long time. I'd be more concerned about the fact that a councillor was tricked. You don't need to be Einstein to work this one out. As for calling "IT Engineers" ha ha. I know someone who works in a council IT department and he says councillors there have been forbidden in contacting "IT Engineers" directly because they think they have access to their own personal IT Help centre. I would of advised Cllr Grimshaw to run a bath and place the laptop in it. No doubt she would of done that. It's a pity Syd James is dead we could of put together a new film "Carry on Councillor" Babbar Divino
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12:08pm Sat 10 Mar 12

mercman0161 says...

Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks. mercman0161
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12:43pm Sat 10 Mar 12

Juddy says...

Just let them rabbit on for a while....then tell them you don't use 'windows'. I told them I use Linux....It stops them in their tracks and the line goes dead!!!
Just let them rabbit on for a while....then tell them you don't use 'windows'. I told them I use Linux....It stops them in their tracks and the line goes dead!!! Juddy
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8:57pm Sat 10 Mar 12

Babbar Divino says...

Also while I'm ranting why all of a sudden are these people known as "Engineers"? They are no more and engineer than I am just some jobsworths who know how to set up a user, change a password and advise dopey councillor's on how to disconnect a PC\Laptop from the internet. Not really "Engineering" stuff is it?

It's like that other IT group that have emerged "IT Architects". As Mr Royle would say "Architects my ar5e". I bet there's a couple of "Architects" mincing around the council.
Also while I'm ranting why all of a sudden are these people known as "Engineers"? They are no more and engineer than I am just some jobsworths who know how to set up a user, change a password and advise dopey councillor's on how to disconnect a PC\Laptop from the internet. Not really "Engineering" stuff is it? It's like that other IT group that have emerged "IT Architects". As Mr Royle would say "Architects my ar5e". I bet there's a couple of "Architects" mincing around the council. Babbar Divino
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9:10pm Sat 10 Mar 12

Babbar Divino says...

mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
No you're right why not ring up the town hall on Monday morning and ask to speak to an "IT Engineer"? They wouldn't be able to help you anyway. If it's a council PC with a hardware problem they just send it back to wherever and if it's software they just put on a new build or SOE as "Engineers" call it. You'd be better off asking me and I'm free..........or sorry forgot if you're a councillor you have your own free IT department anyway don't you?
[quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]No you're right why not ring up the town hall on Monday morning and ask to speak to an "IT Engineer"? They wouldn't be able to help you anyway. If it's a council PC with a hardware problem they just send it back to wherever and if it's software they just put on a new build or SOE as "Engineers" call it. You'd be better off asking me and I'm free..........or sorry forgot if you're a councillor you have your own free IT department anyway don't you? Babbar Divino
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10:38pm Sat 10 Mar 12

Hamish Macbeth says...

Yes - the scam has been aound for a while, but seems to be hitting Whitefield and Bury at the moment.
Fair play to Councillor Grimshaw though for coming forward to alert people to the scam. As a Councillor working from home she has a computer provided by the Council - big deal (not) - many people working for business work from home and have a computer provided by the firm (with IT support).
Don't be so harsh Mercman - Councillor Grimshaw is one of the best Councillors around here, and doing her bit by alerting people to this scam.
I may be a blue, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth as she works really hard for the residents of Unsworth
Yes - the scam has been aound for a while, but seems to be hitting Whitefield and Bury at the moment. Fair play to Councillor Grimshaw though for coming forward to alert people to the scam. As a Councillor working from home she has a computer provided by the Council - big deal (not) - many people working for business work from home and have a computer provided by the firm (with IT support). Don't be so harsh Mercman - Councillor Grimshaw is one of the best Councillors around here, and doing her bit by alerting people to this scam. I may be a blue, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth as she works really hard for the residents of Unsworth Hamish Macbeth
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10:49pm Sat 10 Mar 12

Hamish Macbeth says...

mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
[quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart. Hamish Macbeth
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7:46am Sun 11 Mar 12

mercman0161 says...

Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.
[quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.[/p][/quote]She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well. mercman0161
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8:13am Sun 11 Mar 12

mercman0161 says...

Another scam to be aware of, and it's not just HSBC account holders they are trying it on with but just about every bank going.........secure
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Another scam to be aware of, and it's not just HSBC account holders they are trying it on with but just about every bank going.........secure @hsbc.co.uk From: secure@hsbc.co .uk (secure@hsbc.co.uk) Sent: 09 March 2012 00:14:45 To: 1 attachment | Download all as zip (44.8 KB) HSBC Bank Login Form.html (44.8 KB) Dear Valued Customer, Your account is suspended due to the number of incorrect login attempts. For your protection, we've suspended your account . To reactivate your account please download the document attached to this e-mail and review your account activity. If not completed until March 03, we will be forced to close your account . Note: If you received these e-mail in your BULK/SPAM section please add to your address book secure@hsbc.co.uk Thank you, Customer Support Service. Copyright © HSBC Bank Plc All rights reserved. mercman0161
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6:28pm Sun 11 Mar 12

Hamish Macbeth says...

mercman0161 wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.
Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder...

I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible...

Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible...

Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible...

There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible
[quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.[/p][/quote]She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.[/p][/quote]Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder... I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible... Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible... Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible... There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible Hamish Macbeth
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6:40pm Sun 11 Mar 12

mercman0161 says...

Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.
Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder...

I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible...

Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible...

Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible...

There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible
And.
[quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.[/p][/quote]She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.[/p][/quote]Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder... I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible... Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible... Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible... There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible[/p][/quote]And. mercman0161
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6:43pm Sun 11 Mar 12

Babbar Divino says...

Hamish Macbeth wrote:
Yes - the scam has been aound for a while, but seems to be hitting Whitefield and Bury at the moment.
Fair play to Councillor Grimshaw though for coming forward to alert people to the scam. As a Councillor working from home she has a computer provided by the Council - big deal (not) - many people working for business work from home and have a computer provided by the firm (with IT support).
Don't be so harsh Mercman - Councillor Grimshaw is one of the best Councillors around here, and doing her bit by alerting people to this scam.
I may be a blue, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth as she works really hard for the residents of Unsworth
Difference between "many people working for business work from home have a computer provided by the firm...." is that these "businesses" have to make a profit by selling good or services someone might want to buy. "If" this computer is provided by the council then it is the rate payer who is footing the bill however small.

However after saying all this I think we all know this was her personal computer as there were personal pictures on there or had she been using a council laptop\PC for personal reasons?

No Hamish, Mrs Grimshaw, as she is a cllr thinks that she has access to her own personal IT Help Desk funded by the rate payer however hard she works.
[quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: Yes - the scam has been aound for a while, but seems to be hitting Whitefield and Bury at the moment. Fair play to Councillor Grimshaw though for coming forward to alert people to the scam. As a Councillor working from home she has a computer provided by the Council - big deal (not) - many people working for business work from home and have a computer provided by the firm (with IT support). Don't be so harsh Mercman - Councillor Grimshaw is one of the best Councillors around here, and doing her bit by alerting people to this scam. I may be a blue, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth as she works really hard for the residents of Unsworth[/p][/quote]Difference between "many people working for business work from home have a computer provided by the firm...." is that these "businesses" have to make a profit by selling good or services someone might want to buy. "If" this computer is provided by the council then it is the rate payer who is footing the bill however small. However after saying all this I think we all know this was her personal computer as there were personal pictures on there or had she been using a council laptop\PC for personal reasons? No Hamish, Mrs Grimshaw, as she is a cllr thinks that she has access to her own personal IT Help Desk funded by the rate payer however hard she works. Babbar Divino
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6:49pm Sun 11 Mar 12

Babbar Divino says...

Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.
Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder...

I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible...

Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible...

Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible...

There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible
And if you put yourself in that half then you are gullible for thinking that the PC Cllr Grimshaw was using was supplied by thew council and she wasn't using the Council IT Dept for personal use.
[quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.[/p][/quote]She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.[/p][/quote]Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder... I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible... Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible... Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible... There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible[/p][/quote]And if you put yourself in that half then you are gullible for thinking that the PC Cllr Grimshaw was using was supplied by thew council and she wasn't using the Council IT Dept for personal use. Babbar Divino
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7:07pm Sun 11 Mar 12

Babbar Divino says...

I'd also like to know how she lost "treasured photographs" during this farce. Did the "hackers' start to delete files? Perhaps an IT Engineer from the council can tell us? The whole escapade is really like a Carry On film
I'd also like to know how she lost "treasured photographs" during this farce. Did the "hackers' start to delete files? Perhaps an IT Engineer from the council can tell us? The whole escapade is really like a Carry On film Babbar Divino
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3:21am Tue 13 Mar 12

hellopotap says...

It happened to my sister, too. She got a call from this number 206-456-0661. I was there when she got the call. She put the man on speaker and we had a great time playing along. When the man realized the prank, he hung up.

We reported the phone number at Callercenter.com to raise a warning.
It happened to my sister, too. She got a call from this number 206-456-0661. I was there when she got the call. She put the man on speaker and we had a great time playing along. When the man realized the prank, he hung up. We reported the phone number at Callercenter.com to raise a warning. hellopotap
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10:53pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Hamish Macbeth says...

Babbar Divino wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.
Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder...

I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible...

Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible...

Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible...

There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible
And if you put yourself in that half then you are gullible for thinking that the PC Cllr Grimshaw was using was supplied by thew council and she wasn't using the Council IT Dept for personal use.
Her computer is a council computer - used mainly for councillor work...
so the council it department are responsible for it ...
Stop being so gullible Babbar...

So she uses it for a few personal things.. big deal !!
[quote][p][bold]Babbar Divino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.[/p][/quote]She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.[/p][/quote]Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder... I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible... Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible... Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible... There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible[/p][/quote]And if you put yourself in that half then you are gullible for thinking that the PC Cllr Grimshaw was using was supplied by thew council and she wasn't using the Council IT Dept for personal use.[/p][/quote]Her computer is a council computer - used mainly for councillor work... so the council it department are responsible for it ... Stop being so gullible Babbar... So she uses it for a few personal things.. big deal !! Hamish Macbeth
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11:01pm Thu 15 Mar 12

Hamish Macbeth says...

mercman0161 wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.
Babbar ""A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine""

And who you think is gullible is no concern of mine pal !
[quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.[/p][/quote]She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.[/p][/quote]Babbar ""A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine"" And who you think is gullible is no concern of mine pal ! Hamish Macbeth
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1:47am Fri 16 Mar 12

Babbar Divino says...

Hamish Macbeth wrote:
Babbar Divino wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Hamish Macbeth wrote:
mercman0161 wrote:
Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.
Mercman - chill !!

Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support.
Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff.
If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does.
She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam.
Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.
She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.
Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder...

I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible...

Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible...

Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible...

There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible
And if you put yourself in that half then you are gullible for thinking that the PC Cllr Grimshaw was using was supplied by thew council and she wasn't using the Council IT Dept for personal use.
Her computer is a council computer - used mainly for councillor work...
so the council it department are responsible for it ...
Stop being so gullible Babbar...

So she uses it for a few personal things.. big deal !!
Perhaps you should read the story again. Initially it states the first attack was on her "home" computer at which time she rang the "IT Engineers". Then they tried to gain control of her laptop (how they quite would do this without asking her again to give them control I fail to understand how or why she would do such a ridiculous thing in the first place after the first "attack"). Does a image of a hand and gun appear on the screen threatening to shoot?

However I will concede that the story in slightly misleading in that it does suggest the photographs were deleted from the laptop that could of course be council property but earlier on it does say the same thing about the "home" PC that she rang her own personal IT department funded by the ratepayers.

I don't think you are gullible in retrospect more naive.

As I've stated before I have a friend who works for a local council IT dept and he says their councillors are specifically told not to contact the IT dept directly but rather go through the IT Manager to stop this sort of thing.
[quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Babbar Divino[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]Hamish Macbeth[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]mercman0161[/bold] wrote: Cllr Grimshaw sought advice from town hall IT engineers who advised her to disable her internet connection before the fraudsters hijacked her PC..... Will the Town Hall I.T engineers advise me on what's wrong with my lap top.....don't think so.....another freebie at the council tax payers expense me thinks.[/p][/quote]Mercman - chill !! Councillor Grimshaw has a computer to do council work. It is not unreasonable to expect her to have IT support. Many companies provide computer equipment and IT support to their staff. If Councillor Grimshaw was a troughing MP, I would have no hesitation in supporting you, but she is in fact quite a decent, nice lady who does more than her bit in helping and assisting the people of Unsworth - try "googling" her and see what she does. She didn't have to come forward about this - but has done so to help others avoid bing ripped off by this scam. Oh, and before you ask, no, I am actually a Tory, but would vote for her if I lived in Unsworth albeit she is Labour as she is actually an alright lady who has the community and people very much at her heart.[/p][/quote]She explained: “I had been getting an error message on my computer for a while". Well why not deal with the problem then,was the town hall closed then or the so called I.T Engineers on annual leave. A decent nice Lady she may be, and who you vote for is no concern of mine,but i can't help but see the word gullible come into this as well.[/p][/quote]Gullibility is in the eye of the beholder... I personally think anyone who thinks the UK being a member of the EU is a good thing is gullible... Anyone who thinks the current cuts are only the fault of the Coalition Government is gullible... Anyone who thinks we shouldn't send as many people to prison is gullible... There _ I have just labelled half the population as gullible[/p][/quote]And if you put yourself in that half then you are gullible for thinking that the PC Cllr Grimshaw was using was supplied by thew council and she wasn't using the Council IT Dept for personal use.[/p][/quote]Her computer is a council computer - used mainly for councillor work... so the council it department are responsible for it ... Stop being so gullible Babbar... So she uses it for a few personal things.. big deal !![/p][/quote]Perhaps you should read the story again. Initially it states the first attack was on her "home" computer at which time she rang the "IT Engineers". Then they tried to gain control of her laptop (how they quite would do this without asking her again to give them control I fail to understand how or why she would do such a ridiculous thing in the first place after the first "attack"). Does a image of a hand and gun appear on the screen threatening to shoot? However I will concede that the story in slightly misleading in that it does suggest the photographs were deleted from the laptop that could of course be council property but earlier on it does say the same thing about the "home" PC that she rang her own personal IT department funded by the ratepayers. I don't think you are gullible in retrospect more naive. As I've stated before I have a friend who works for a local council IT dept and he says their councillors are specifically told not to contact the IT dept directly but rather go through the IT Manager to stop this sort of thing. Babbar Divino
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