FULL-TIME: Hartlepool 3 Bury 0

THE problems are mounting up for Richie Barker and his Bury side after they slumped to their seventh straight defeat at Victoria Park this afternoon.

They were far from outclassed by their in-form hosts, who remain unbeaten this season, but two shocking mistakes by defender Andrai Jones, making his Football League debut, led to their downfall.

Former Newcastle and Aston Villa winger Nolberto Solano put Pools into the lead in the 33rd minute when he latched on to a simple ball down the middle and slotted past Trevor Carson.

The lead could have been doubled sixty seconds later, but a simple tap-in at the far post was ruled out by the linesman.

Bury looked brighter after the break, but their enthusiasm was quashed within eight minutes of the break when Colin Nish outmuscled Jones and smashed home.

Solano was head and shoulders above the rest, constantly playing balls behind the inexperienced Shakers backline, and it was his cross that Nish headed against the crossbar.

And Nish capped a miserable day for Jones when he robbed the defender of the ball and confidently finished his third goal of the season.

Winger James Poole, who spent a short time on loan at Bury under Alan Knill, almost rubbed salt into the gaping wounds with a fourth but his two shots went narrowly wide.

Andy Bishop and David Worrall earlier went close for the Gigg Laners but, for all their possession, they created very little and paid the price for some horrendous mistakes at the back.

Hartlepool: Flinders 6, Austin 7, Collins 7, Hartley 7, Wright 6, Solano 9, Murray 6 (Monkhouse 7, 59), Liddle 6, Sweeney 7, Nish 7, Boyd 7 (Poole 6, 63). Subs not used: Rafferty, Humphreys, Luscombe.

Bury: Carson 7, Picken 7, A Jones 5, Eastham 6, Skarz 7, Worrall 8, Sweeney 6 (Byrne 6, 78), Coke 6, M Jones 7, Bishop 6 (John-Lewis 6, 58), Harrad 6. Subs not used: Belford, Cregg, McCarthy.

Attendance: 5,343 (163 Bury fans)

Referee: Carl Sarginson

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8:26pm Sun 18 Sep 11

Eileenshakers says...

Oh dear oh dear oh dear changes were needed and it looks like the lack of quality in depth of our squad is going to cost not only our manager his job but also more clearly our position in this league."We are so out of our depth and confidence is rock bottom".We need a massive overhaul of this painful bunch of players.You didn't help your cause Richie by sending out Howarth & Futcher out on loan when we are desperate for a central defender.Sorry mate i think you have lost the plot and the dressing room,time to order Richie a taxi and get Peter Reid or Ronnie Moore in,leadership is sadly lacking from this woeful team.It doesn't really matter who we play because we are beating ourselves with poor mistakes,poor decision making and overall poor calibre of players who look like they have already thrown in the towel for this season.
Oh dear oh dear oh dear changes were needed and it looks like the lack of quality in depth of our squad is going to cost not only our manager his job but also more clearly our position in this league."We are so out of our depth and confidence is rock bottom".We need a massive overhaul of this painful bunch of players.You didn't help your cause Richie by sending out Howarth & Futcher out on loan when we are desperate for a central defender.Sorry mate i think you have lost the plot and the dressing room,time to order Richie a taxi and get Peter Reid or Ronnie Moore in,leadership is sadly lacking from this woeful team.It doesn't really matter who we play because we are beating ourselves with poor mistakes,poor decision making and overall poor calibre of players who look like they have already thrown in the towel for this season. Eileenshakers
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8:16am Mon 19 Sep 11

Ivy Kelly says...

Let’s list some of the things that have happened since promotion.
Bennett Ajose and Lees all leave
Futch, LJL given 1 year contract. Sodje at 38 given a 2 year contract
Barker appointed as boards second ? choice but Lowe’s first choice. Shirtliff brought in and Williams (who many will remember playing for us) as goalkeeper coach
Cullen brought in plays one game
Futcher goes on loan Hughes gets injured next day
Eastham brought in
Team doing well
Lowe sold so near to Transfer deadline instead of in summer so that the choice of players to replace him is limited
Mozika sold as he does not want to play for us
Coke (not fit) Harrad (not fit) and Byrne brought in. Barker’s limit of ambition is “competing in a mini league” after 4-0 trouncing at SU
Shocking performance against Rochdale. Bish scores his only league goal
Belford dropped and Carson brought in
Futcher goes on loan again next day Sodje is suspended
Seven straight defeats
Manager admits he does not know what else to do
What does all that add up to?
Let’s list some of the things that have happened since promotion. Bennett Ajose and Lees all leave Futch, LJL given 1 year contract. Sodje at 38 given a 2 year contract Barker appointed as boards second ? choice but Lowe’s first choice. Shirtliff brought in and Williams (who many will remember playing for us) as goalkeeper coach Cullen brought in plays one game Futcher goes on loan Hughes gets injured next day Eastham brought in Team doing well Lowe sold so near to Transfer deadline instead of in summer so that the choice of players to replace him is limited Mozika sold as he does not want to play for us Coke (not fit) Harrad (not fit) and Byrne brought in. Barker’s limit of ambition is “competing in a mini league” after 4-0 trouncing at SU Shocking performance against Rochdale. Bish scores his only league goal Belford dropped and Carson brought in Futcher goes on loan again next day Sodje is suspended Seven straight defeats Manager admits he does not know what else to do What does all that add up to? Ivy Kelly
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8:51am Mon 19 Sep 11

DODGY MEISTER says...

Eileenshakers is probably right is saying is time to order a taxi for Ritchie, harsh but probably true. As football supporters of the club we wait years for a promotion only to be let down by a mixture of bad luck and poor decision making. Its still on early yet but things need to change sooner rather than later.

Thanks Ritchie but you need this

0161 797 5161 (Harveys)
Eileenshakers is probably right is saying is time to order a taxi for Ritchie, harsh but probably true. As football supporters of the club we wait years for a promotion only to be let down by a mixture of bad luck and poor decision making. Its still on early yet but things need to change sooner rather than later. Thanks Ritchie but you need this 0161 797 5161 (Harveys) DODGY MEISTER
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10:54am Mon 19 Sep 11

ste1511 says...

I have been reading various letters over the past few weeks with interest and it appears to me everyone is missing the point. As a lifelong Bury supporter the general feeling amongst fellow supporters is this. The root of the problem lies not with the manager but with this current chairman who says and does absolutely nothing. It was he who offered new contracts to messrs Sodje, Futcher and LJR. It was he that wasnt prepared to pay the extra for an experienced manager. It was glaringly obvious that our defence over the last 2 years has on numerous occasions not been good enough. It was also glaringly obvious that 3 or 4 new faces were needed for this season to meet the stiffer challenge of league 1. How many were signed? 1 a centre half.18 goals conceded in 9 games says it all. We have the worst defence in the division.Despite the influx of money that has come in to the club in recent weeks, this chairman still seems unwilling to go that extra mile by paying a little extra to attract some better quality players on loan. Also there are lots quality players out there, many with premiership experience who are currently out of work.Therefore I would appeal to this chairman to show some ambition by giving our manager some support, by supplying extra funds so we can bring in better quality loan players and sending the also rans back to their respective clubs.
I am afraid this current chairman has all the hallmarks of being another Mike Ashley.My own belief is that he never wanted the club promoted in the first place.
I have been reading various letters over the past few weeks with interest and it appears to me everyone is missing the point. As a lifelong Bury supporter the general feeling amongst fellow supporters is this. The root of the problem lies not with the manager but with this current chairman who says and does absolutely nothing. It was he who offered new contracts to messrs Sodje, Futcher and LJR. It was he that wasnt prepared to pay the extra for an experienced manager. It was glaringly obvious that our defence over the last 2 years has on numerous occasions not been good enough. It was also glaringly obvious that 3 or 4 new faces were needed for this season to meet the stiffer challenge of league 1. How many were signed? 1 a centre half.18 goals conceded in 9 games says it all. We have the worst defence in the division.Despite the influx of money that has come in to the club in recent weeks, this chairman still seems unwilling to go that extra mile by paying a little extra to attract some better quality players on loan. Also there are lots quality players out there, many with premiership experience who are currently out of work.Therefore I would appeal to this chairman to show some ambition by giving our manager some support, by supplying extra funds so we can bring in better quality loan players and sending the also rans back to their respective clubs. I am afraid this current chairman has all the hallmarks of being another Mike Ashley.My own belief is that he never wanted the club promoted in the first place. ste1511
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11:47am Mon 19 Sep 11

fantazie says...

Calm down everyone, all the current heartache will be forgotten once Schumacher and Hughes return.
Calm down everyone, all the current heartache will be forgotten once Schumacher and Hughes return. fantazie
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11:59am Mon 19 Sep 11

DODGY MEISTER says...

Why is it that Bury FC cannot attract any one willing to put money in to the club.

All we seem to get are dead legs and people who are full of their own self importance
Why is it that Bury FC cannot attract any one willing to put money in to the club. All we seem to get are dead legs and people who are full of their own self importance DODGY MEISTER
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6:55pm Mon 19 Sep 11

Eileenshakers says...

I agree with much of what has been written here.The chairman is quite ponderous and often attracts the attention of critics.He makes bizarre statements regarding his limited aspirations and belief that we would indeed be cut adrift at the bottom of the league after 5 or 6 games.You have to speculate to accumulate sir and if you are not up to the task of being our Chairman and voice of the people and football club then please pass on the baton on to someone who has more drive,determination,
ambition and a will to succeed.
Even last season we were shipping goals in matches at Torquay and at home to Gillingham,only our fierce team spirit got us through with the 3 points.Yes circumstances have gone cruelly against us.Why is our manager such a yes man?,why does he say the same things as our previous manager Knilly?.We need a manager who is his own man not some marrionette.We had a tough start to this season yet we seem to play well against teams that were on paper much better than us.
I fear that if we are relegated the shakers will once again find themselves back in the wilderness.
Finally Richie allowed Futch to go to his beloved former employer at Field mill.He's a revelation down there both on the pitch and off it.Why did Richie say we can recall him after 30 days? and yet it's obvious that Mansfield have taken up an option to extend his loan til 5th November (another contradiction which undermines our manager's integrity).I agree we need better quality loan players and to blood a few of our talented youngsters like McCarthy,Hudson,Harr
op,etc.
I agree with much of what has been written here.The chairman is quite ponderous and often attracts the attention of critics.He makes bizarre statements regarding his limited aspirations and belief that we would indeed be cut adrift at the bottom of the league after 5 or 6 games.You have to speculate to accumulate sir and if you are not up to the task of being our Chairman and voice of the people and football club then please pass on the baton on to someone who has more drive,determination, ambition and a will to succeed. Even last season we were shipping goals in matches at Torquay and at home to Gillingham,only our fierce team spirit got us through with the 3 points.Yes circumstances have gone cruelly against us.Why is our manager such a yes man?,why does he say the same things as our previous manager Knilly?.We need a manager who is his own man not some marrionette.We had a tough start to this season yet we seem to play well against teams that were on paper much better than us. I fear that if we are relegated the shakers will once again find themselves back in the wilderness. Finally Richie allowed Futch to go to his beloved former employer at Field mill.He's a revelation down there both on the pitch and off it.Why did Richie say we can recall him after 30 days? and yet it's obvious that Mansfield have taken up an option to extend his loan til 5th November (another contradiction which undermines our manager's integrity).I agree we need better quality loan players and to blood a few of our talented youngsters like McCarthy,Hudson,Harr op,etc. Eileenshakers
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7:48pm Mon 19 Sep 11

Eileenshakers says...

I've just been listening to Richie Barker's post match comments on the BBC football website.He says and i quote "you can't expect 21 year old players to think like 31 year old players but they must learn pretty quickly".How baffling is that comment?.So on the one hand he says that a 21 year old will not be experienced to think like a 31 year old player yet he is expecting his 21 year old players to learn how to in a short time.This comment really proves that he's lost the plot and contradicts what he is spouting to the press.Face facts Richie "you are completely out of your depth and are now fast running out of ideas".
I've just been listening to Richie Barker's post match comments on the BBC football website.He says and i quote "you can't expect 21 year old players to think like 31 year old players but they must learn pretty quickly".How baffling is that comment?.So on the one hand he says that a 21 year old will not be experienced to think like a 31 year old player yet he is expecting his 21 year old players to learn how to in a short time.This comment really proves that he's lost the plot and contradicts what he is spouting to the press.Face facts Richie "you are completely out of your depth and are now fast running out of ideas". Eileenshakers
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7:51am Tue 20 Sep 11

ste1511 says...

Now lets be serious, we really dont want Futcher back in our side. He wasn't good enough in division 2 for the past 2 seasons. In fact in the eyes of lots of bury fans he was an embarassment.He is nowhere near good enough for this division.For me he can stay at mansfield all season.Once again this chairman is the cause of all the current problems. He appointed this manager on the basis that all other suitable candidates did not want to work for him for the terms on offer. I have a lot of sympathy for Richie. If Mr Chairman has anything about him he will take these views on board and address the situation.
Now lets be serious, we really dont want Futcher back in our side. He wasn't good enough in division 2 for the past 2 seasons. In fact in the eyes of lots of bury fans he was an embarassment.He is nowhere near good enough for this division.For me he can stay at mansfield all season.Once again this chairman is the cause of all the current problems. He appointed this manager on the basis that all other suitable candidates did not want to work for him for the terms on offer. I have a lot of sympathy for Richie. If Mr Chairman has anything about him he will take these views on board and address the situation. ste1511
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10:51am Tue 20 Sep 11

Eileenshakers says...

I doubt very much whether our brian will be reading these comments on here.Only if the press guys start to comment at our games and on other media channels might be be slightly irritated by much of is being written here.I agree with Ste 1511 to a certain degree.Like Sodge,Futch was an embarrassment to our club in many of his previous displays and looked slow and ponderous like his side-kick Efe last season.He probably had one good game which i can remember when we won 3- at Chesterfield a couple of years back and scored a great goal.If McDoughnut had taken the job he would have probably left mid season and joined up with his pal Sam Alladyce when he found a new post had it not been at Upton Park.I can't see any light at the end of this very bleak tunnel.My mood right now reflects "bleak house" am feeling like one of the Bronte sisters at Haworth Parsonage.If you have ever visited that place the degree of desperation and depression which affects you on a visit you will know what i mean.No more excuses board hold your hands up and admit you were wrong to appoint a rookie manager.There is a vast difference between Carl Robinson & Richie as the former is afforded a generous budget supported by an ambitious chairman.It's not all about ideas especially when one's chairman doesn't share your passion and ambition.
I doubt very much whether our brian will be reading these comments on here.Only if the press guys start to comment at our games and on other media channels might be be slightly irritated by much of is being written here.I agree with Ste 1511 to a certain degree.Like Sodge,Futch was an embarrassment to our club in many of his previous displays and looked slow and ponderous like his side-kick Efe last season.He probably had one good game which i can remember when we won 3- at Chesterfield a couple of years back and scored a great goal.If McDoughnut had taken the job he would have probably left mid season and joined up with his pal Sam Alladyce when he found a new post had it not been at Upton Park.I can't see any light at the end of this very bleak tunnel.My mood right now reflects "bleak house" am feeling like one of the Bronte sisters at Haworth Parsonage.If you have ever visited that place the degree of desperation and depression which affects you on a visit you will know what i mean.No more excuses board hold your hands up and admit you were wrong to appoint a rookie manager.There is a vast difference between Carl Robinson & Richie as the former is afforded a generous budget supported by an ambitious chairman.It's not all about ideas especially when one's chairman doesn't share your passion and ambition. Eileenshakers
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12:56pm Tue 20 Sep 11

damo2011 says...

Can understand all the confusion over Ritchies contradictions. Like is mentioned above, after the Sheff U game he says we are in a mini league, then after the Hartlepool game he says nothing to panic about, teams have been in worse runs and gone on to win promotion - does this mean its back on or what? What do the players make of it all? Also another thing where he isnt helping himself is constantly talking about the bad luck and players who have left, tbh if thats all my boss spoke about id be downhearted and a bit p****d off. Concentrate on whats good RB, and the group of players that we still do have at BL9.
Can understand all the confusion over Ritchies contradictions. Like is mentioned above, after the Sheff U game he says we are in a mini league, then after the Hartlepool game he says nothing to panic about, teams have been in worse runs and gone on to win promotion - does this mean its back on or what? What do the players make of it all? Also another thing where he isnt helping himself is constantly talking about the bad luck and players who have left, tbh if thats all my boss spoke about id be downhearted and a bit p****d off. Concentrate on whats good RB, and the group of players that we still do have at BL9. damo2011
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12:58pm Tue 20 Sep 11

damo2011 says...

Can understand all the confusion over Ritchies contradictions. Like is mentioned above, after the Sheff U game he says we are in a mini league, then after the Hartlepool game he says nothing to panic about, teams have been in worse runs and gone on to win promotion - does this mean its back on or what? What do the players make of it all? Also another thing where he isnt helping himself is constantly talking about the bad luck and players who have left, tbh if thats all my boss spoke about id be downhearted and a bit p****d off. Concentrate on whats good RB, and the group of players that we still do have at BL9.
Can understand all the confusion over Ritchies contradictions. Like is mentioned above, after the Sheff U game he says we are in a mini league, then after the Hartlepool game he says nothing to panic about, teams have been in worse runs and gone on to win promotion - does this mean its back on or what? What do the players make of it all? Also another thing where he isnt helping himself is constantly talking about the bad luck and players who have left, tbh if thats all my boss spoke about id be downhearted and a bit p****d off. Concentrate on whats good RB, and the group of players that we still do have at BL9. damo2011
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1:12pm Tue 20 Sep 11

damo2011 says...

...and also on the Futcher situation, he says that the club allowed him to go for 2 months, but on the website last week he says he was in training on the monday and lifted everyone - which is what was needed and then the offer to go back came in. Hmm, confused.
...and also on the Futcher situation, he says that the club allowed him to go for 2 months, but on the website last week he says he was in training on the monday and lifted everyone - which is what was needed and then the offer to go back came in. Hmm, confused. damo2011
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1:47pm Tue 20 Sep 11

DODGY MEISTER says...

Lets hope for a good result on Saturday against MK. I Know in my earlier posts i have been guilty of being very very negative. I have had time to think and it is not all RB's fault. So lets get behind the lads and give them our full support.

Just gone back in to history and read what i had put on here, and god i have come across as a right a***hole.

Sorry
Lets hope for a good result on Saturday against MK. I Know in my earlier posts i have been guilty of being very very negative. I have had time to think and it is not all RB's fault. So lets get behind the lads and give them our full support. Just gone back in to history and read what i had put on here, and god i have come across as a right a***hole. Sorry DODGY MEISTER
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1:56pm Tue 20 Sep 11

damo2011 says...

DODGY MEISTER wrote:
Lets hope for a good result on Saturday against MK. I Know in my earlier posts i have been guilty of being very very negative. I have had time to think and it is not all RB's fault. So lets get behind the lads and give them our full support. Just gone back in to history and read what i had put on here, and god i have come across as a right a***hole. Sorry
Couldnt agree more, think your correct in what you say - not about being an ahole - i dont even know you, your prob a nice person, but about getting behind RB and the players and the club. Its going to be tough - always was. Heres to operation 5th bottom. UTS IBWT an all that. Keep the Faith. Roll on sat.
Well s**t em!
[quote][p][bold]DODGY MEISTER[/bold] wrote: Lets hope for a good result on Saturday against MK. I Know in my earlier posts i have been guilty of being very very negative. I have had time to think and it is not all RB's fault. So lets get behind the lads and give them our full support. Just gone back in to history and read what i had put on here, and god i have come across as a right a***hole. Sorry[/p][/quote]Couldnt agree more, think your correct in what you say - not about being an ahole - i dont even know you, your prob a nice person, but about getting behind RB and the players and the club. Its going to be tough - always was. Heres to operation 5th bottom. UTS IBWT an all that. Keep the Faith. Roll on sat. Well s**t em! damo2011
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9:07pm Tue 20 Sep 11

onchan says...

Really think that Bury supporters should start 2 think about things more, and try and work things out 4 themsleves. Firstly I am no football expert, but evan I could c that Fucher wasnt up to League 1 sta ndard, but 2 b fair he did ave some good games when he took over from Sodje last season, but more bad than good. So I think the rant about him being on loan is ridulas. In fact I think Bury have used their head. Mansfleid are doing well, but they r non league, so Fucher is an asset to them. If it works out well then perhaps Bury could sell him 4 a small transfer fee. Same applies 2 Ronnie, alhough a much better player than Fucher he hasnt really done much at Bury, perhaps after a spell at Oxford, playing every week well improv e him. No use him siting on the bench every week. Same thing as Fucher, if he does better at Oxford, perhaps a transfer. People tend 2 forget the football is a business now. Supporters dont seem 2 be able 2 understand that. One last thing, about Richie and his signing as athe manager. Have people really thought what would have happened if he board had brought in a new man, over Richie. 1 He could have walked, leaving a bad feeling in the changing rooms with LOwe and Sodje making it plain that hay where backing Richie, or 2 Richie could have stayed, and that could have had the same bad feeling. I dont 4 one minute blame Lowe 4 moving on, and thought Mark Catlins article in Burys Rochdale programme was really good on he matter, but him and Sodje did make it difficult 4 the board 2 bring in another manager. I think Richie is okay, obvously mistakes will happen, but after this hard game on Saturday(MK DONS) think Bury will improve. We wont be in the top 10 but Rome want built in a day. Give Richie and lads a chance
Really think that Bury supporters should start 2 think about things more, and try and work things out 4 themsleves. Firstly I am no football expert, but evan I could c that Fucher wasnt up to League 1 sta ndard, but 2 b fair he did ave some good games when he took over from Sodje last season, but more bad than good. So I think the rant about him being on loan is ridulas. In fact I think Bury have used their head. Mansfleid are doing well, but they r non league, so Fucher is an asset to them. If it works out well then perhaps Bury could sell him 4 a small transfer fee. Same applies 2 Ronnie, alhough a much better player than Fucher he hasnt really done much at Bury, perhaps after a spell at Oxford, playing every week well improv e him. No use him siting on the bench every week. Same thing as Fucher, if he does better at Oxford, perhaps a transfer. People tend 2 forget the football is a business now. Supporters dont seem 2 be able 2 understand that. One last thing, about Richie and his signing as athe manager. Have people really thought what would have happened if he board had brought in a new man, over Richie. 1 He could have walked, leaving a bad feeling in the changing rooms with LOwe and Sodje making it plain that hay where backing Richie, or 2 Richie could have stayed, and that could have had the same bad feeling. I dont 4 one minute blame Lowe 4 moving on, and thought Mark Catlins article in Burys Rochdale programme was really good on he matter, but him and Sodje did make it difficult 4 the board 2 bring in another manager. I think Richie is okay, obvously mistakes will happen, but after this hard game on Saturday(MK DONS) think Bury will improve. We wont be in the top 10 but Rome want built in a day. Give Richie and lads a chance onchan
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11:12am Wed 21 Sep 11

Eileenshakers says...

It has been quite obvious to me that the only reason that Lowey wanted Barks was to keep the team spirit strong and hold the dressing room together.I wonder whether Lowey was already eyeing up a move away when he made this comment about giving the job to Richie.I also believed that we would have had a good start regardless of whoever was appointed.We were an unknown quantity to league 1 teams, like Rochdale were in their first season.When teams begin to realise that you are limited in your attacking and defending abilities this is the result you lose games.A shrewd manager would be looking at the bigger picture and attempting not to lose the games badly like we have done in order to retain some degree of confidence.It's hard enough turning draws in to wins let alone heavy defeats in to victories.If Futch and Howarth are playing at a lower level then what does this say about the calibre of our squad?.Do other clubs see as massive over achievers too?,do our squad feel that they have no right to be playing in this league?.Aside from a few spelling errors which we all make me included most of the comments on this page speak with reason and credibilty.I don't think our board or our manager know what their short term or long term aspirations are.I would love to fast forward this season and see where we ended up and even more interesting where we are 12 months from now.I'll have a little bet with you that only a handful of players 6 at most will still be at our club come 21st September 2012.There has to come a point when tipping point has been reached and action need to be taken not waffle or lip service spouted to the media.
It has been quite obvious to me that the only reason that Lowey wanted Barks was to keep the team spirit strong and hold the dressing room together.I wonder whether Lowey was already eyeing up a move away when he made this comment about giving the job to Richie.I also believed that we would have had a good start regardless of whoever was appointed.We were an unknown quantity to league 1 teams, like Rochdale were in their first season.When teams begin to realise that you are limited in your attacking and defending abilities this is the result you lose games.A shrewd manager would be looking at the bigger picture and attempting not to lose the games badly like we have done in order to retain some degree of confidence.It's hard enough turning draws in to wins let alone heavy defeats in to victories.If Futch and Howarth are playing at a lower level then what does this say about the calibre of our squad?.Do other clubs see as massive over achievers too?,do our squad feel that they have no right to be playing in this league?.Aside from a few spelling errors which we all make me included most of the comments on this page speak with reason and credibilty.I don't think our board or our manager know what their short term or long term aspirations are.I would love to fast forward this season and see where we ended up and even more interesting where we are 12 months from now.I'll have a little bet with you that only a handful of players 6 at most will still be at our club come 21st September 2012.There has to come a point when tipping point has been reached and action need to be taken not waffle or lip service spouted to the media. Eileenshakers
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12:21pm Wed 21 Sep 11

damo2011 says...

Top and bottom of it is.....

Short term aspirations - stay up,
Long term aspirations, ensure the longevity of the club and remain in a viable financial position and in a self sufficiant position, by buyin cheap and moving players on for a fee with sell on.

Dont think the fact that the 2 players out on loan have gone to lower league teams says anything at all about the calibre of the squad. Where did Lees, Ajose, Nardiello, Cullen, Kudos, Carson, Eckersley, Jevons, Hewson, etc etc come from? Wasnt from teams in a lower league than us was it, does this mean the calibre of all the lending teams havent got a v high calbire of squad? Lets be sensible.

As for the point that only 6 players at best will remain at the club this time next year - welcome to the real world, this now puts Bury in the same position as 90% of all other clubs.
Top and bottom of it is..... Short term aspirations - stay up, Long term aspirations, ensure the longevity of the club and remain in a viable financial position and in a self sufficiant position, by buyin cheap and moving players on for a fee with sell on. Dont think the fact that the 2 players out on loan have gone to lower league teams says anything at all about the calibre of the squad. Where did Lees, Ajose, Nardiello, Cullen, Kudos, Carson, Eckersley, Jevons, Hewson, etc etc come from? Wasnt from teams in a lower league than us was it, does this mean the calibre of all the lending teams havent got a v high calbire of squad? Lets be sensible. As for the point that only 6 players at best will remain at the club this time next year - welcome to the real world, this now puts Bury in the same position as 90% of all other clubs. damo2011
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12:33pm Thu 22 Sep 11

Eileenshakers says...

You may be right in one respect Damo i agree we are taking players from clubs in the Championship & Premier league.However i would like to point out that hardly any of these crop of players you have mentioned in your list have had a successful loan spell at Gigg Lane aside from Ajose,Lees & that article that missed 2 penalties against Shrewsbury in the league 2 play-off semi.What i am saying is that other clubs in our league wouldn't take any of our players on loan because they probably have better quality at their own club.I can't believe that Nicky turned the chance down to play for us again,it has to be with our club's lack of ambition and a manager who is incapable of either motivating or getting players right for playing in the team.I have not really rated any of his signings so far let alone the players he has brought in during the summer.Patrick Kregg looks a duff buy,Hughes is ok but injury prone,Harrad the jury is out whether he can cope with this level.Can't we give free transfers to Sodge,Lennel J,Lewis,Kregg and ditch all of the current loanees.?
You may be right in one respect Damo i agree we are taking players from clubs in the Championship & Premier league.However i would like to point out that hardly any of these crop of players you have mentioned in your list have had a successful loan spell at Gigg Lane aside from Ajose,Lees & that article that missed 2 penalties against Shrewsbury in the league 2 play-off semi.What i am saying is that other clubs in our league wouldn't take any of our players on loan because they probably have better quality at their own club.I can't believe that Nicky turned the chance down to play for us again,it has to be with our club's lack of ambition and a manager who is incapable of either motivating or getting players right for playing in the team.I have not really rated any of his signings so far let alone the players he has brought in during the summer.Patrick Kregg looks a duff buy,Hughes is ok but injury prone,Harrad the jury is out whether he can cope with this level.Can't we give free transfers to Sodge,Lennel J,Lewis,Kregg and ditch all of the current loanees.? Eileenshakers
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