Furious drivers slapped with £100 fines for parking overnight at Radcliffe Metrolink

One of the small, defaced signs at Radcliffe Metrolink car park

The sign is high up and difficult to view, David Allen says

Empty spaces at Radcliffe Metrolink park and ride

Signage at the entrance to the car park does not mention a maximum stay

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FURIOUS motorists stung by £100 fines for parking overnight in Radcliffe’s tram station say “tiny” signs warning of the fee are completely inadequate.

Drivers using the free Radcliffe Metrolink car park in Spring Lane say it is not clear that the facility can only be used during the hours trams are running.

They say there are only two signs on the lower level of the car park – one of which is defaced – and there is no barrier or information at the entrance and exit.

But Metrolink bosses said there were actually six signs in total with 30 more set to be installed in the next week.

Drivers have been slapped with £100 tickets and say Transport for Greater Manchester (TfGM) needs to make the rules clearer.

Keia Nolan, aged 21, parked to get the Metrolink at around 3.30pm on July 19 and returned two days later to tickets issued at 4.19am on July 20 and 1.20am on July 21.

Keia, from Little Lever, said: “If these rules are going to be enforced and ridiculous charges issued, people need to be aware.

“There is not even a barrier at the exit. I took pictures of where my car was parked and no sign is visible from where I was.”

Keia reported the tickets to the police, fearing a scam, and was told by officers the ticket had come from a legitimate private company, Care Parking, but could be disputed.

She has contacted the firm which issued the tickets directly but has had no response.

Sarah Southworth, who lives in Bury, parked at 4pm on August 2.

When she picked her car up the next day, a £100 fine had been issued at 3.46am.

Sarah, an accountant, said she will dispute the fine. She added: “It is a free car park and it is ludicrous TfGM are penalising people for being responsible and leaving their cars.

“What about people who work a night shift and get a late tram then come back in the morning?

“If the rule is going to be enforced the information has to be displayed so people can actually see it. It is outrageous.”

Commercial photographer David Allen, from Radcliffe, was stung by a £100 fine after parking overnight last Friday while he went into Manchester.

When he returned the next day, a fine had been issued at 4am and in the immediate vicinity of his vehicle another four cars had been ticketed.

David said in the past he has been able to leave his car overnight, collecting it the following morning without a charge.

He said: “The restrictions are diametrically opposed to Bury Council’s ongoing anti drink-driving campaign.

“There are only two signs and one is defaced, both are badly lit and too high. There are no barriers, suggesting or encouraging overnight use. “These underhand tactics to impose charges will result in the less responsible, who may be drunk, being tempted to drive their cars while under the influence.”

A spokesman for TfGM said 30 new signs are set to be installed by Care Parking next week to boost the six they say are currently in place.

She added: “Metrolink park and rides should only be used by passengers during the hours tram services are running, which is made very clear on signs.

“Parking overnight puts your car at risk and inconveniences our customers who arrive early in the morning to get a parking spot. “TfGM does not profit from fines and Care Management only issues a parking charge when there is nearby visible signage explaining parking restrictions to the customer.”

The TfGM website states overnight parking is not permitted and the facility is only available to Metrolink customers during service hours.

This has recently been updated with the website previously stating the car park was “free” and giving no further details.

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3:33pm Fri 15 Aug 14

ohiogirl says...

So hang on. The tram is running when I catch it to go to work. It is running when I come home the following morning, early after a night shift. So, where is the problem?
There is nowhere to park safely where I work in Manchester and I am so tired in the morning I do not wish to drive the fifteen miles or so home.
Make up your minds. it says Park and Ride, which is what I am doing, just on different days!
So hang on. The tram is running when I catch it to go to work. It is running when I come home the following morning, early after a night shift. So, where is the problem? There is nowhere to park safely where I work in Manchester and I am so tired in the morning I do not wish to drive the fifteen miles or so home. Make up your minds. it says Park and Ride, which is what I am doing, just on different days! ohiogirl
  • Score: 14

3:49pm Fri 15 Aug 14

brian jones says...

Very misleading article, Tui Benjamin. They are NOT fines. They are invoices. Anyone who reads one of these invoices should go to the parking forums on moneysavingexpert website. Care Parking do not own the land, and they therefore suffer no loss when drivers use the car park, partiuclarly not in a free car park. The invoices should NOT be ignored (as the law changed in October 2012), but there is plenty of information on the internet to assist in getting them quashed. But BN, please DO stop referring to them as fines. Only a court of law can issue a fine.
Very misleading article, Tui Benjamin. They are NOT fines. They are invoices. Anyone who reads one of these invoices should go to the parking forums on moneysavingexpert website. Care Parking do not own the land, and they therefore suffer no loss when drivers use the car park, partiuclarly not in a free car park. The invoices should NOT be ignored (as the law changed in October 2012), but there is plenty of information on the internet to assist in getting them quashed. But BN, please DO stop referring to them as fines. Only a court of law can issue a fine. brian jones
  • Score: 33

6:27pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Undetectableman says...

How unbelievably stupid this is.

So the government and our local councils seek to encourage the use of public transport but from this it would appear only when it suits them so going for a night out and staying over with a friend for example is not permitted Night workers not able to commute, no prizes for guessing what will happen here people will be forced to take their vehicles into the city centre causing more congestion and all the side streets near to the station will be blocked up by tram users parking their vehicles and causing local residents problems. It really is about time that those who seek to improve the public transport infrastructure in this country start working together in a cohesive and logical manner ... some chance, while so much is privatised!!
How unbelievably stupid this is. So the government and our local councils seek to encourage the use of public transport but from this it would appear only when it suits them so going for a night out and staying over with a friend for example is not permitted Night workers not able to commute, no prizes for guessing what will happen here people will be forced to take their vehicles into the city centre causing more congestion and all the side streets near to the station will be blocked up by tram users parking their vehicles and causing local residents problems. It really is about time that those who seek to improve the public transport infrastructure in this country start working together in a cohesive and logical manner ... some chance, while so much is privatised!! Undetectableman
  • Score: 16

6:38pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

Vote Labour pay more taxes by stealth works every time Folks.
Vote Labour pay more taxes by stealth works every time Folks. thomas222
  • Score: -3

7:20pm Fri 15 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

So the TfGM/Metrolink are now saying you either drink and drive or receive a parking fine?
So the TfGM/Metrolink are now saying you either drink and drive or receive a parking fine? nigella farrage
  • Score: 14

9:26pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Chrome1 says...

Referring to an earlier posting, the guy is correct. These are not fines but merely notices they have to pay. Another thing; the headline says 'Furious drivers slapped with fines'. Does it mean the drivers are furious day in day out regardless of punitive action against them? I picture them with angry faces going into work each day.
Referring to an earlier posting, the guy is correct. These are not fines but merely notices they have to pay. Another thing; the headline says 'Furious drivers slapped with fines'. Does it mean the drivers are furious day in day out regardless of punitive action against them? I picture them with angry faces going into work each day. Chrome1
  • Score: 11

10:03pm Fri 15 Aug 14

thomas222 says...

nigella farrage wrote:
So the TfGM/Metrolink are now saying you either drink and drive or receive a parking fine?
No Nigella they are saying get a taxi or pay for the parking place you choose to park your car in because the old days are over with and if you park on our land we will book you. Will you stop saying what you think people are saying. Whats nasty is how its been done by stealth without informing people properly.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: So the TfGM/Metrolink are now saying you either drink and drive or receive a parking fine?[/p][/quote]No Nigella they are saying get a taxi or pay for the parking place you choose to park your car in because the old days are over with and if you park on our land we will book you. Will you stop saying what you think people are saying. Whats nasty is how its been done by stealth without informing people properly. thomas222
  • Score: 2

10:51pm Fri 15 Aug 14

Babbar Divino says...

nigella farrage wrote:
So the TfGM/Metrolink are now saying you either drink and drive or receive a parking fine?
No, they are saying the parking is for Metrolink customers only otherwise you will have a free for all with Transport companies et al using it to store their vehicles.

Unfortunately there are some people who do use the Metrolink for work outside normal working hours, but you can't cover all eventualities.

Drinking and driving, and the consequences if caught or worse still if you cause an accident and injure or kill someone, is your decision.
[quote][p][bold]nigella farrage[/bold] wrote: So the TfGM/Metrolink are now saying you either drink and drive or receive a parking fine?[/p][/quote]No, they are saying the parking is for Metrolink customers only otherwise you will have a free for all with Transport companies et al using it to store their vehicles. Unfortunately there are some people who do use the Metrolink for work outside normal working hours, but you can't cover all eventualities. Drinking and driving, and the consequences if caught or worse still if you cause an accident and injure or kill someone, is your decision. Babbar Divino
  • Score: 2

7:39am Sat 16 Aug 14

Hectoriva says...

Do not pay them, if you didn't see the sign then no contract has been entered to, I always write explaining the situation, state that the fine has been unlawfully issued and that you do not intend to pay it unless they address the points you have raised, don't give an email address, make it as expensive as possible for them to pursue you, I've done it 4 times and never had a response, they rely on the people who think 'i will pay it now because it goes up to X amount after 14 days' sadly there are lots of them
Do not pay them, if you didn't see the sign then no contract has been entered to, I always write explaining the situation, state that the fine has been unlawfully issued and that you do not intend to pay it unless they address the points you have raised, don't give an email address, make it as expensive as possible for them to pursue you, I've done it 4 times and never had a response, they rely on the people who think 'i will pay it now because it goes up to X amount after 14 days' sadly there are lots of them Hectoriva
  • Score: 6

10:57am Sat 16 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Thomas222 says,
No Nigella they are saying get a taxi or pay for the parking place you choose to park your car in because the old days are over with and if you park on our land we will book you. Will you stop saying what you think people are saying. Whats nasty is how its been done by stealth without informing people properly.


Response:
1. It is a free car park for Metrolink customers
2. There is NO signage to say it is for the sole purpose of Metrolink Customers
3. Night shift workers who use the Metrolink to/from work are being hit the hardest as they park their car, use the tram to get to work and then use ealy morning trams to get home and then find they have been fined - they are Metrolink Customers!
4. Workers of good intentions of not having an after-work drink are also being hit. Park car in morning, catch tram o work, convinced to have a drink, catch tram home and then what? A. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day to pick up car. with no fine (remember this is a Metrolink customer) B. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day only to find not only have you had to pay for a taxi to get home (being sensible and not wanting to break the law) but you also got fined for leaving your car because you were over the limit to drive home (it only takes 1.5 pints to be over the limit nowadays) or C. break the la, get behind the wheel and drive home whilst being over the limit. (I can guarantee that your, or anyone else's response would be that people who do that shouldn't be weak willed - but fact is we ALL have done it sometime in the past gone to work, **** day and been convinced of an after-work drink to let hair down a little!)


Also, Thomas, can YOU please advise me, from my original post in the thread where I have said something that I think people are saying? As after re-reading my post just pointed out a basic flaw in the rules governing the car-park!!! It seems to me that after 23+ years of living abroad your command of English is very poor.
Thomas222 says, No Nigella they are saying get a taxi or pay for the parking place you choose to park your car in because the old days are over with and if you park on our land we will book you. Will you stop saying what you think people are saying. Whats nasty is how its been done by stealth without informing people properly. Response: 1. It is a free car park for Metrolink customers 2. There is NO signage to say it is for the sole purpose of Metrolink Customers 3. Night shift workers who use the Metrolink to/from work are being hit the hardest as they park their car, use the tram to get to work and then use ealy morning trams to get home and then find they have been fined - they are Metrolink Customers! 4. Workers of good intentions of not having an after-work drink are also being hit. Park car in morning, catch tram o work, convinced to have a drink, catch tram home and then what? A. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day to pick up car. with no fine (remember this is a Metrolink customer) B. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day only to find not only have you had to pay for a taxi to get home (being sensible and not wanting to break the law) but you also got fined for leaving your car because you were over the limit to drive home (it only takes 1.5 pints to be over the limit nowadays) or C. break the la, get behind the wheel and drive home whilst being over the limit. (I can guarantee that your, or anyone else's response would be that people who do that shouldn't be weak willed - but fact is we ALL have done it sometime in the past gone to work, **** day and been convinced of an after-work drink to let hair down a little!) Also, Thomas, can YOU please advise me, from my original post in the thread where I have said something that I think people are saying? As after re-reading my post just pointed out a basic flaw in the rules governing the car-park!!! It seems to me that after 23+ years of living abroad your command of English is very poor. nigella farrage
  • Score: 2

10:01pm Sat 16 Aug 14

Babbar Divino says...

Nigella says
"4. Workers of good intentions of not having an after-work drink are also being hit. Park car in morning, catch tram o work, convinced to have a drink, catch tram home and then what? A. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day to pick up car. with no fine (remember this is a Metrolink customer) B. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day only to find not only have you had to pay for a taxi to get home (being sensible and not wanting to break the law) but you also got fined for leaving your car because you were over the limit to drive home (it only takes 1.5 pints to be over the limit nowadays) or C. break the la, get behind the wheel and drive home whilst being over the limit. (I can guarantee that your, or anyone else's response would be that people who do that shouldn't be weak willed - but fact is we ALL have done it sometime in the past gone to work, **** day and been convinced of an after-work drink to let hair down a little!)"

Response:
Yes would love to come for a drink but........

A. I can only have one as I have to drive
B. I have to drive so I'll have a lemonade
Nigella says "4. Workers of good intentions of not having an after-work drink are also being hit. Park car in morning, catch tram o work, convinced to have a drink, catch tram home and then what? A. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day to pick up car. with no fine (remember this is a Metrolink customer) B. taxi home from tram stop and then back to car park next day only to find not only have you had to pay for a taxi to get home (being sensible and not wanting to break the law) but you also got fined for leaving your car because you were over the limit to drive home (it only takes 1.5 pints to be over the limit nowadays) or C. break the la, get behind the wheel and drive home whilst being over the limit. (I can guarantee that your, or anyone else's response would be that people who do that shouldn't be weak willed - but fact is we ALL have done it sometime in the past gone to work, **** day and been convinced of an after-work drink to let hair down a little!)" Response: Yes would love to come for a drink but........ A. I can only have one as I have to drive B. I have to drive so I'll have a lemonade Babbar Divino
  • Score: 0

1:51pm Sun 17 Aug 14

ask12b1 says...

Only tickets issued by the local council are enforceable. The amount I've received from Tesco, asda, Halford and many from metrolink and have ignored plainly because they are just invoices, they can't prove who the driver was and you are under no obligation to tell them.

From experience just ignore them, forget all about it. You may receive a letter through the post, but again ignore it and they soon get tho message that you are aware your not under a contract to pay it.
Only tickets issued by the local council are enforceable. The amount I've received from Tesco, asda, Halford and many from metrolink and have ignored plainly because they are just invoices, they can't prove who the driver was and you are under no obligation to tell them. From experience just ignore them, forget all about it. You may receive a letter through the post, but again ignore it and they soon get tho message that you are aware your not under a contract to pay it. ask12b1
  • Score: 2

12:05am Mon 18 Aug 14

nigella farrage says...

Babbar,

So you have never gone out with the good intention of having only 1 drink (which is still too much, to be fair, although legally speaking it isn't) or drinking lemonade and you have actually had more then you envisaged?

If that is the case, then either you are not human, or you don't actually drink (fair enough as I know people who don't) or you are fooling yourself with that comment.
Babbar, So you have never gone out with the good intention of having only 1 drink (which is still too much, to be fair, although legally speaking it isn't) or drinking lemonade and you have actually had more then you envisaged? If that is the case, then either you are not human, or you don't actually drink (fair enough as I know people who don't) or you are fooling yourself with that comment. nigella farrage
  • Score: 0

12:23pm Mon 18 Aug 14

brian jones says...

ask12b1 wrote:
Only tickets issued by the local council are enforceable. The amount I've received from Tesco, asda, Halford and many from metrolink and have ignored plainly because they are just invoices, they can't prove who the driver was and you are under no obligation to tell them.

From experience just ignore them, forget all about it. You may receive a letter through the post, but again ignore it and they soon get tho message that you are aware your not under a contract to pay it.
They don't need to prove who the driver was any more, unfortunately. The change of law in 2012 means that the registered keeper is now liable in the event that the driver is not named. One company, ParkingEye have issued thousands and thousands of court claims over the last 18 months or so. So the advice to ignore is no longer good advice, I'm afraid.
[quote][p][bold]ask12b1[/bold] wrote: Only tickets issued by the local council are enforceable. The amount I've received from Tesco, asda, Halford and many from metrolink and have ignored plainly because they are just invoices, they can't prove who the driver was and you are under no obligation to tell them. From experience just ignore them, forget all about it. You may receive a letter through the post, but again ignore it and they soon get tho message that you are aware your not under a contract to pay it.[/p][/quote]They don't need to prove who the driver was any more, unfortunately. The change of law in 2012 means that the registered keeper is now liable in the event that the driver is not named. One company, ParkingEye have issued thousands and thousands of court claims over the last 18 months or so. So the advice to ignore is no longer good advice, I'm afraid. brian jones
  • Score: 0

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