Beer garden must close early because of complaints about noise

Beer garden must close early because of complaints about noise

Beer garden must close early because of complaints about noise

First published in News Bury Times: Photograph of the Author by , Reporter

A PUB beer garden must close early because of complaints about noise, councillors have ruled.

Bury Licensing Panel took the decision last week after people living near the Rose and Crown pub in Cockey Moor Road, Bury, complained about noise in the evening.

Under the old licensing conditions, the pub had to lock its beer garden at 10pm daily as it backs on to a housing area in Lowercroft Road.

Also, no drinks could be taken into the smoking area after 10pm.

However, 10 complaints about noise had been made to the council since July 2009.

According to a council report, one neighbour said he recently phoned a pub representative on a Saturday night to get the music turned down.

On June 19, when England played Uruguay in the World Cup, the neighbour said there was noise from cars, horns and people chanting.

The report said: “These complaints refer to noise emanating from either the beer garden or the outside smoking shelter.”

One woman claimed that on two weekends in May customers used the beer garden until 11pm.

The noise was so bad, she said she had to move her two-year-old son to a different bedroom.

Another said they had “experienced noise and abusive and drunken behaviour issues until 2-3am”. Bottles and glasses were said to have been thrown into the resident’s garden and over the pub car park.

The council sent warning letters to the pub in 2011 and 2013, and officers visited it last November and in March this year to remind them of licensing conditions.

During the 90-minute hearing, a representative of the pub’s owner, Greene King, spoke to the panel, who decided that the garden should be shut every day by 8pm.

Afterwards, a Greene King spokesman said: “As a responsible retailer, we work hard to provide a safe and comfortable environment for our customers as well as local residents.

“We are working with the team at the pub on a way forward that takes the concerns of our neighbours into account.”

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6:24pm Mon 18 Aug 14

EmShambles says...

Why would you buy a house next to a pub if you don't like what it entails? Valid question.
Why would you buy a house next to a pub if you don't like what it entails? Valid question. EmShambles
  • Score: 0

5:39pm Tue 19 Aug 14

EmShambles says...

Answer the question! If you've thumbed my question down and not given me an answer I have to assume you're as thick as pig crap. The pub has been there longer than most of the houses in that area. I suggest you pack up your dungarees and banjos and move.
Answer the question! If you've thumbed my question down and not given me an answer I have to assume you're as thick as pig crap. The pub has been there longer than most of the houses in that area. I suggest you pack up your dungarees and banjos and move. EmShambles
  • Score: -1

11:54pm Tue 19 Aug 14

Bury North says...

I agree with EmShambles. I could understand thier complaint if they bought a house next to a library for example and this was going on but a established pub. What did the complainants think would happen when they bought a house with the pub next door where people drink get merry and listen to music and smoke outside? I'm dubious about the exaggerated comment about the noise at 2-3am as I believe last orders is at 11:30pm so the latest for noise when people are leaving maybe 1am. I'd be interested to see some residents comments on their logic like EdShambles.
I agree with EmShambles. I could understand thier complaint if they bought a house next to a library for example and this was going on but a established pub. What did the complainants think would happen when they bought a house with the pub next door where people drink get merry and listen to music and smoke outside? I'm dubious about the exaggerated comment about the noise at 2-3am as I believe last orders is at 11:30pm so the latest for noise when people are leaving maybe 1am. I'd be interested to see some residents comments on their logic like EdShambles. Bury North
  • Score: 5

12:24pm Wed 20 Aug 14

xBuryGirlx says...

EmShambles wrote:
Why would you buy a house next to a pub if you don't like what it entails? Valid question.
I thumbed your question down so I will answer your question and also Bury North's in attempt to not have my reputation tarnished and be known as that woman who is as 'thick as pig crap'.

Last orders may be 11.30 but not all pubs are strict and stick to this. Have you heard of something called a stay behind? If not it is where landlords shut the curtains and minimise the lighting yet continue to serve drinks. People then become more drunk and louder. They then go into the smoking shelter and continue to be loud and merry whilst drinking.

If the rules were stuck to maybe the residents would be a bit more forgiving but they are clearly not.
[quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: Why would you buy a house next to a pub if you don't like what it entails? Valid question.[/p][/quote]I thumbed your question down so I will answer your question and also Bury North's in attempt to not have my reputation tarnished and be known as that woman who is as 'thick as pig crap'. Last orders may be 11.30 but not all pubs are strict and stick to this. Have you heard of something called a stay behind? If not it is where landlords shut the curtains and minimise the lighting yet continue to serve drinks. People then become more drunk and louder. They then go into the smoking shelter and continue to be loud and merry whilst drinking. If the rules were stuck to maybe the residents would be a bit more forgiving but they are clearly not. xBuryGirlx
  • Score: -2

2:16pm Wed 20 Aug 14

EmShambles says...

Thanks Bury North and thanks Bury Girl for your reply.Yes,I've heard of 'Lock in' and they are as old as pub licensing laws. I just don't understand why they'd move next to a pub in the first place.Why leave yourself open to this kind of problem in the first place? Bonkers.
Thanks Bury North and thanks Bury Girl for your reply.Yes,I've heard of 'Lock in' and they are as old as pub licensing laws. I just don't understand why they'd move next to a pub in the first place.Why leave yourself open to this kind of problem in the first place? Bonkers. EmShambles
  • Score: 3

4:56pm Wed 20 Aug 14

xBuryGirlx says...

It is EmShambles but I think the generations are getting rowdier, blame it on the youth ;)
It is EmShambles but I think the generations are getting rowdier, blame it on the youth ;) xBuryGirlx
  • Score: 1

5:22am Thu 21 Aug 14

Bury North says...

Thanks for your comments, obviously the Bury Times article does not make you aware of details such as a "lock in" however the events mentioned do seem to be spread over a long period of time since 2009 averaging 2 complaints per year so it does not seem like these incidents are a daily occurrence and a World Cup always brings with it noise to any pub so I do not understand this being out of the norm.
Thanks for your comments, obviously the Bury Times article does not make you aware of details such as a "lock in" however the events mentioned do seem to be spread over a long period of time since 2009 averaging 2 complaints per year so it does not seem like these incidents are a daily occurrence and a World Cup always brings with it noise to any pub so I do not understand this being out of the norm. Bury North
  • Score: 4

7:35pm Sun 24 Aug 14

R.Sole says...

...... just a quickie, but what actually are the merits of buying a house next to (or near) a pub ?
...... just a quickie, but what actually are the merits of buying a house next to (or near) a pub ? R.Sole
  • Score: 2

7:38pm Fri 29 Aug 14

Colcab says...

xBuryGirlx wrote:
EmShambles wrote:
Why would you buy a house next to a pub if you don't like what it entails? Valid question.
I thumbed your question down so I will answer your question and also Bury North's in attempt to not have my reputation tarnished and be known as that woman who is as 'thick as pig crap'.

Last orders may be 11.30 but not all pubs are strict and stick to this. Have you heard of something called a stay behind? If not it is where landlords shut the curtains and minimise the lighting yet continue to serve drinks. People then become more drunk and louder. They then go into the smoking shelter and continue to be loud and merry whilst drinking.

If the rules were stuck to maybe the residents would be a bit more forgiving but they are clearly not.
Think you should look at other pubs for lock ins ,I've been going to the Rose for more than 20 years and never known them to serve after time,also 8 out of the 10 or so complaints came from the same gentleman ,like the other comments say if you don't like it Sir move on
[quote][p][bold]xBuryGirlx[/bold] wrote: [quote][p][bold]EmShambles[/bold] wrote: Why would you buy a house next to a pub if you don't like what it entails? Valid question.[/p][/quote]I thumbed your question down so I will answer your question and also Bury North's in attempt to not have my reputation tarnished and be known as that woman who is as 'thick as pig crap'. Last orders may be 11.30 but not all pubs are strict and stick to this. Have you heard of something called a stay behind? If not it is where landlords shut the curtains and minimise the lighting yet continue to serve drinks. People then become more drunk and louder. They then go into the smoking shelter and continue to be loud and merry whilst drinking. If the rules were stuck to maybe the residents would be a bit more forgiving but they are clearly not.[/p][/quote]Think you should look at other pubs for lock ins ,I've been going to the Rose for more than 20 years and never known them to serve after time,also 8 out of the 10 or so complaints came from the same gentleman ,like the other comments say if you don't like it Sir move on Colcab
  • Score: 2

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