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Nazi uniforms banned from East Lancashire Railway war weekend

Nazi uniforms banned from East Lancashire Railway war weekend Nazi uniforms banned from East Lancashire Railway war weekend

RAILWAY bosses have declared war on people dressing up in Nazi uniforms during a popular 1940s war weekend.

A ban on visitors wearing Swastikas and SS outfits has been imposed on the East Lancashire Railway after concerns they could offend Holocaust survivors.

Christina Seidel, ELR’s marketing manager, said: “We are asking people not to turn up in German officer or SS uniforms, because we do not want to offend the Jewish community on our doorstep.”

The ban was introduced after complaints that a minority had turned up the annual event in SS regalia, with one even impersonating Hitler's henchman Herman Goerring.

Officials from the Greater Manchester Jewish Represenative Council (GJRC) have been lobbying the ELR after receiving complaints regarding last year’s celebrations.

Lucille Cohen, GJRC secretary, said: “I am very gratified that they taken into account the correspondence we have had with them.

“There are a number of people in this area who suffered at the hands of the Nazis during the way and the Holocaust, which should be taken into account.”

Other complaints included a jeep arriving draped in a red swastika flag.

Mock battles will still take place at Bury, Rawtenstall and Ramsbottom stations over the weekend between ‘Allied’ and ‘Axis’ volunteer troops.

Notices posted in the official programme state that the ban has been imposed because warnings, in previous years, have been ignored.

David Harris, editor of the Jewish Telegraph, said: “The wearing of a Nazi uniform is not only deeply offensive to Jewish people, for obvious reasons, but to anyone who fought in the last world war or was tortured in prisoner of war camps.

“There have been instances of Holocaust survivors, passing the railway, who have been confronted by people wearing Nazi uniforms and it has been deeply distressing.

“Why bother dressing in a Nazi uniform for a re-enactment?

"It is fair enough to have British servicemen, because they would not be out of place, but no Nazis ever made to this country.”

Coun Alyson Barnes, leader of Rossendale Council, said: “The railway clearly has some very real concerns.

"I hope this does not detract from the whole exercise or affect anyone’s enjoyment of the weekend.”

County councillor Peter Evans, who represents Rossendale West, was a wartime evacuee from Manchester who said he appreciated the sensitivities of protesters.

“If I saw a German uniform it would not necessarily upset me but anyone who goes along dressed up as Herman Goerring or Hitler is taking things much too far,” he added.

Twin town efforts had been made with Bocholt in Germany, which Coun Evans said he had visited as the borough’s mayor, to forge better relations which reflected Rossendale’s ‘tolerant’ reputation.

Chief Superintendent Jon Rush, head of policing in Ramsbottom, said he was aware of ‘sensitivities’ around the display of Nazi uniforms and Swastikas.

He added: “We will not be overzealous when it comes to the wearing or displaying of Nazi symbols or uniforms as this is basically an historical recreation of the World War Two period.

“It is for the organisers to communicate any dress code they want those attending to follow but we will make them aware of the particular concerns that have been raised.

“That said, we will not tolerate anyone who is found to be doing anything to cause deliberate harassment or distress or with a view to inciting hatred, regardless of what they may or may not be wearing.

“However, our past experience at this event has demonstrated that this has never been the case.”

The weekend regularly attracts up to 10,000 people and will feature tea dances, vintage and military vehicles, brass bands and a parade at Irwell Vale station.

Comments(19)

Megawatt says...
6:02pm Fri 27 May 11

Soon people won't know what these things are because no-one will have seen them.
It's history for God's sake!!

blackpuddingmuncher says...
8:54pm Fri 27 May 11

oh do give it a rest with all this PC nonesense. This is to comemorate the war years. Do you not think that hatchets will be buried by now?
What sort of society do you people think we live in now?
Allow the uniforms, it will NOT offend anybody for god sake.

InsertName says...
10:34pm Fri 27 May 11

I believe that in the future, like 15-20years in the future, banning such acts will be uncalled for but right now, there ARE still people living that went through the worst for our country or for their beliefs, my great-grandfather was one of those people and he cried when he was asked about his memories of wartime. Yes is educating, Yes its interesting, but right now, I do not think it is appropriate.

If somebody would like to learn more, then they should seek this themselves. It is completely unfair to expect EVERYONE to be happy about people dressed as Nazi's. Especially in a public place where someone may not know such event is taking place.

hazy says...
11:01pm Fri 27 May 11

wot a load of ****

hazy says...
11:01pm Fri 27 May 11

b oll ocks

buryreader says...
12:07am Sat 28 May 11

This is a ugly part of history, but never the less it is history, everyone wants youths and younger people to learn about our history, yet they want to manipulate what bits they learn. without the nazi's there would be no war, no holocaust.
i personally am offended by seeing orthodox jews dressed in their attire, i am offended by asians dressed in theirs, the weekend is a war weekend, at history weekend, we can not re-write history just to appease the pc brigade, people learn through events like this, lrt them learn the truth

uboater says...
1:02am Sat 28 May 11

Hi I'm Captain Williams the chairman of U-8047 TRUST. We dress in German Navy uniform and operate a replica u-boat at Botany Bay in Chorley.
Over the last 13 weeks we have had over 1500 visitors, who have brought themselves and their children for an educational expierience of the U-boat War.
Not one single person has found this wrong or offensive, indeed their has been 5 or 6 fully orthodox Jewish families, who have come especialy from Manchester to visit.
One rabbi, who visited this week, is in the prosess of arranging for a group of 10 children Jewish Children to come over to visit us for the afternoon.

Personally I feel
"Political correctness is one thing, but WWII happened, some 25 million people were killed and all the children of the world should be educated as to the facts, in a desperate attempt to prevent it happening again"

shakersforever says...
9:45am Sat 28 May 11

This is not about political correctness. Thankfully as the Nazi's never came to our shores they should play NO part in any re-enactment of WW2 in the UK. I have no objection to people playing soldiers and re-enacting battles but people in Nazi uniforms should not be a part of the ELR WW2 weekend. Well done to the ELR in banning them.

buryreader says...
12:12pm Sat 28 May 11

shakersforever

so because they did not make it to the uk, you are saying they played no part in ww2 in the uk, the holocaust did not happen in the uk either, should we just forget that part of the history of ww2 also. if people do not learn about the nazi's how can they understand our history. i dont know if you have ever been to this event, it is very proffessionally and tastefully done and very educational.

R'Marcus says...
12:57pm Sat 28 May 11

Megawatt wrote:
Soon people won't know what these things are because no-one will have seen them. It's history for God's sake!!
Well, to some poor souls it is history, to many it is the past, present and future.
Nazism is and was evil. To dress up in a Nazi uniform is sickness.

R'Marcus says...
12:58pm Sat 28 May 11

buryreader wrote:
This is a ugly part of history, but never the less it is history, everyone wants youths and younger people to learn about our history, yet they want to manipulate what bits they learn. without the nazi's there would be no war, no holocaust. i personally am offended by seeing orthodox jews dressed in their attire, i am offended by asians dressed in theirs, the weekend is a war weekend, at history weekend, we can not re-write history just to appease the pc brigade, people learn through events like this, lrt them learn the truth
I agree, buryreader!

Andrea says...
2:18pm Sat 28 May 11

At this rate we won't be able to talk about anything in history, no matter what event is on somebody will disagree. This country is getting to PC and we need to get back to our roots. The children need to learn about the history of the Wars, before we know it we will have nobody left to talk about the past, these youngest need to learn now.

shakersforever says...
3:15pm Sat 28 May 11

Buryreader anyone who can post as you did ie "i personally am offended by seeing orthodox jews dressed in their attire, i am offended by asians dressed in theirs" is offensive in themselves. Your post is verging on being racist and you are obviously easily offended!

We don't need Nazi fancy dress to remember the Holocaust. The Holocaust must never be forgotten. You have completely missed the point - Nazi uniforms should play no part in a WW2 UK Railway event. This is totally different to the Botany Bay exhibit which is historical and in the correct context and no doubt very educational.

It is not about being politically correct but being historically correct, which is more important. It is how we lived during those dark days and thankfully we did NOT have German soldiers wandering all over the place.

Babbar Divino says...
3:22am Mon 30 May 11

Andrea wrote:
At this rate we won't be able to talk about anything in history, no matter what event is on somebody will disagree. This country is getting to PC and we need to get back to our roots. The children need to learn about the history of the Wars, before we know it we will have nobody left to talk about the past, these youngest need to learn now.
Agreed. Where does PC stuff stop? How about banning people dressing up as crusaders because of the atrocities that were committed in those times. It's history are we trying to deny that Nazis existed? Did the Danes and the Saxons not exist? Did they not butcher each other because of different beliefs? Should we not omit all such teachings from history just because we might offend someone. Admittedly the Danes and Saxons were committing atrocities @ AD850 but it's the truth

GileyUK says...
9:08am Mon 30 May 11

Well done to ELR for screwing up the War Weekend. May as well cancel next year and save a lot of people time and effort.
I did get onto the platform and there was nowhere near the number of people present that have attended in recent years and I have a flyer supplied by ELR stating that no German uniforms were welcome at the event as it could cause offense.
With this in mind what are they going to do with the re enactment at Ramsbottom which includes German uniforms today (Sunday 29th May).
If no SS are allowed why was the Trackside in Bury showing a dvd (probably illegally under copyright laws) that included not only SS uniforms but Hitler himself.
Also if there wasn't meant to be any SS there, what was with the nazi on the door to the platform threatening people with eviction for simply wanting to use the toilet.
Apparently you could go on the platform if you bought your drink in a plastic 'glass' and this gives you access to the toilets. If you prefer your drink in an actual glass you had to stay inside.
No problem, health and safety with kids running around, I get that.
Apparently should you wish to use the toilet you have to get a ticket from the bar when you first enter the building while buying your first drink.
But as soon as you want to go from the inside to use the toilet you are stopped by a member of ELR who was not in uniform or marked as security in any way.
One of the party that I had invited into Bury for this event obviously did not recognise this person and thought he was a local having a laugh.
It was here when the trouble - caused by an ELR member and not a Trackside staff member- started and we decided to leave. Before exiting we were overheard by a members of the War Weekend one of which listened at good length to our complaint and said he would be passing our views onto the organisers.
So well done again ELR. You really messed it up this time and next time and the time after....

offyoursoapbox says...
10:23am Thu 2 Jun 11

I can totally understand what the Jewish community went through in this war so my comment is not meant to cause any offence to anyone but it really does upset me that the jewish community has requested that something like this is banned. They were not the only people persecuted in that war don't forget the Gypsies and Homosexuals. (You see them complaining about this issue?) don't forget every other single person who experienced that war too. It is an insult to every person who died in that war to ban the inclusion of the Nazi role in the war weekend, how are future generations supposed to understand and identify with the wrongs of a terrible War if we don't show all parties involved and their parts played.

Every nation has had its darkest hours
Dane's, Saxons, Roman's, even the English but we don't hide this fact we try learn from them.

This event was not celebrating the Nazi regime, they are showing people what they looked like and what happened in history, and this should be embraced so that we don't ever repeat these mistakes.

common sense needs to be applied here and people should look at the situation with open eyes

concernedwhitemale says...
2:38pm Fri 3 Jun 11

What the Jewish community must realise is that they need to stop "milking" the holocaust. You weren't the only victims as the above poster writes.How about the Polish?
In my opinion , it`s like events like these when the holocaust hijackers make themselves known just so they can make themselves feel important.
If you are looking for something to say why dont the hijackers come out against the current holocaust happening in Palestine?
Hypocrites!

carlchrystan says...
5:32pm Fri 3 Jun 11

Don't be too downhearted, SS-uniform wearers; if you wish to continue passionately teaching history, you could always:

i) Walk around New York, dressed as Osama Bin Laden.

ii) Wander the pubs of Ireland in an Oliver Cromwell costume.

iii) Get a flight to Poland or the Ukraine; don a fat suit with workers' overalls, put on a moustache, mooch around Warsaw or Kiev, and tell everyone that you are Joseph Stalin.

iv) Dress like a Japanese prison camp guard and have a meal in Manchester's Chinatown.

v) Spend the day at the Fusiliers' museum dressed as either: General Galtieri, a member of the Taliban, a Chinese or North Korean soldier, an IRA terrorist, an Iraqi insurgent, Mussolini, or indeed anyone else who has deprived someone of their child, parent, grandparent, uncle, auntie, sibling or friend.

Perhaps wearing Nazi uniforms is something that's best left to the heirs of the throne!

A very sad thing about all this is the amount of money wasted on uniforms that people can't even wear!

robinson22 says...
6:12pm Sat 4 Jun 11

Once again we have the vociferous minority having their opinions taken into consideration rather than those of the silent majority. If people are offended by the sight of re-enactors wearing uniforms of the various German Armed Forces as part of an organised 1940s weekend then they should simply stay away from the event. More fool the East Lancs Railway for bowing to the criticisms of the vociferous minority and the whining of the Jewich Chronicle in their article of May 19th 2011.

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